Okay, my club's current top dog is Rey, New title, Expertise, Finn, Kanan, countermeasures. Assuming I get a critical through (can't scratch that thing so far) what do I shoot off and why?
Gut instinct says the title but I'm really not convinced that there is a good option here. Thoughts?
Top of my head, I'd probably say Finn. He's too valuable with the pilot ability to ignore, and is probably contributing to why you're not scratching it in the first place. Expertise isn't a bad call either, as anything that decreases action efficiency is a solid target.
To be honest, it'd depend on how your opponent plays. If they're constantly striving to be in close, then the title isn't a bad shout. If they're playing more ranged style, I'd say Finn. If you can reliably bump them, Expertise.
It took me a second, but I'm going with Kanan. Removing Kanan makes Slooping less appealing, gimping Rey herself as well as Finn. Additionally, it prevents Rey from flying over debris and still getting actions. If she does Sloop after losing Kanan then Expertise is inactive for at least a round.
I think it may be a case of learning to fly better, but I often hear about people suggesting to block Rey. you can do it once easily enough, maybe twice, but that white stressless s-loop is too flexible. It's always in arc, always pumping out at least four hits, always seems to get two evades...
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Maybe I need to dust off my MF and get Rey back on the table. What's your opponent using for her wingman?
Last time out he stripped Rey right down to Finn, Kanan and Expertise and flew a VI Corran.
I also say Kanan. The Falcon has a great dial, provided you aren't trying to clear stress.
Under typical PWT conditions you almost never need to K-turn, but Rey + Finn is a double-down on maintaining arc. She will take stress, and she will need to clear it. Having Kanan make every white maneuver able to clear stress, and removing the stress penalty from the new title, is huge. Get Kanan out of there.
I would say one of the crew. Kanan gives bonuses to all ships, Finn helps Rey be tanky and punchy, depends on how the battle is going I suppose. Removing Kanan makes sloops give a stress, which shuts down expertise. You can get a flow on on card synergy removal by getting rid of the right card.
Removing Kanan shuts down the white-sloop if rey wants to keep expertise, and also makes it harder after the sloop to keep arc on without getting mega stressed. Especially if you block her.
31 minutes ago, ThalanirIII said:Removing Kanan shuts down the white-sloop if rey wants to keep expertise, and also makes it harder after the sloop to keep arc on without getting mega stressed. Especially if you block her.
Yeah, stress is the buggar on her, Kanan makes her go. If you get multi-arced while stressed, she'll flame out.
I was gonna say the title, but I've come around to the majority here and say Kanan.
I've found in all the times I ran Rey she just got focused down and destroyed pretty quickly. Maybe it was how I was flying her but after a couple of months I gave up.
What is your list like? Can't you just take her out thenold fashioned way?
As for the essential upgrade in that list I'd say either Kanan or the title.
Without the title she can't sloop around period. Without Kanan she can't do it without a stress.
Personally I think for Rey not being able to sloop would be more detrimental. So I'm going to say title.
11 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:I've found in all the times I ran Rey she just got focused down and destroyed pretty quickly. Maybe it was how I was flying her but after a couple of months I gave up.
The biggest thing I've found to help with that is pair her with something people don't want in the end game. A Norra with PTL/C-3P0/R2-D2/title has worked out reasonably well due to her good damage out put and how tanky her ability plus the droid duo makes her.
I've also tried the "ah frick it" option of pairing her with a Lothal Rebel. Either the smash the opponent to pieces early, or they lose big. Half and half on that one.
Rey has been a tough cookie for me as well. I struggled against this list for a while. I always ended up trying to use too many ships to block and gave her range 1 shots against something else (which never ended well).
YT-1300: •Rey (58)
•Millennium Falcon (HotR) (1)
Expertise (4)
•Finn (5)
•Kyle Katarn (3)
Z-95 Headhunter: Tala Squadron Pilot (13)
Z-95 Headhunter: Tala Squadron Pilot (13)
A-Wing: Prototype Pilot (15)
Chardaan Refit (-2)
Total: 99/100
6 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:Maybe I need to dust off my MF and get Rey back on the table. What's your opponent using for her wingman?
I've seen the same Rey MF run with tactical jammer instead of countermeasures with Jan Ors, trick shot, TLT, moldy crow, vectored thrusters and chewbacca. It's devastatingly effective...
8 minutes ago, Phoenix5454 said:I've seen the same Rey MF run with tactical jammer instead of countermeasures with Jan Ors, trick shot, TLT, moldy crow, vectored thrusters and chewbacca. It's devastatingly effective...
Actually I did face that Jan/Rey list and it was a beast. I think I made the mistake of going after Jan 1st, and some particularly poor flying on my part (parking on asteroids) saw my triple T-70's eaten up for lunch.
Remove Finn every time, it's like dealing weapons failure and structural damage with one use from Boba, on top of the actual crit that's dealt.
Edited by SnooSnarry4 hours ago, Phoenix5454 said:I've seen the same Rey MF run with tactical jammer instead of countermeasures with Jan Ors, trick shot, TLT, moldy crow, vectored thrusters and chewbacca. It's devastatingly effective...
I have played this list a few times and it what made me say Kanan. Kanan can let Jan do white moves to remove her stress, which opens up the HWK moves a lot more, he clears the stress so Expertise gets to proc. An in arc Rey MF throwing 6 die at rng 1 with rerolls on 2 blanks, all eyes are hits, plus you may have a TL if you flew right to reroll that blanks on all hits when you really need at least one hit. Plus you have Jan to either clean up, or to shoot first to remove tokens with the TLT. It's a crazy good list. But it does have it's counters.
I say Finn. If you're past shields and into hull, Kanan has already done most of his work. Finn, on the other hand, can really hurt you on his way out (and he can make getting that Falcon off the table take a lot longer). The white S-Loop is great, no doubt, but there's a reason nobody uses it without Finn. Close-in work on a (Finn-less) Falcon ends up with a dead Falcon.
Either Finn or Kanan. Kanan is a priority if you can deal any sort of stress yourself. Finn is a priority if you can't easily arc-dodge.
If neither is really the case, I'd still say Kanan is probably the priority. Even without the extra die, Rey is still punishingly accurate with her built in rerolls and expertise - removing Kanan means she can't sloop and get still get expertise, or can't sloop and so gets a lot fewer rerolls.
20 hours ago, Phoenix5454 said:I've seen the same Rey MF run with tactical jammer instead of countermeasures with Jan Ors, trick shot, TLT, moldy crow, vectored thrusters and chewbacca. It's devastatingly effective...
Shouldn't your post say "I've seen that same Rey MFer"?
At least that's what I think it should say. I hate flying against that build.
Edited by Scopes18 hours ago, Jeff Wilder said:I say Finn. If you're past shields and into hull, Kanan has already done most of his work. Finn, on the other hand, can really hurt you on his way out (and he can make getting that Falcon off the table take a lot longer). The white S-Loop is great, no doubt, but there's a reason nobody uses it without Finn. Close-in work on a (Finn-less) Falcon ends up with a dead Falcon.
It kind of depends on your list, which I didn't take into account. If you've got autothrusters, then I agree with you, Jeff. Taking out Finn really cuts the effectiveness of Rey's in-arc shots.
But if you don't have thrusters, then nuking Finn still leaves the Rey player the option of double mods via TL action on PWT shots, and by virtue of the MF's still-appreciably-good dial and PS 8, in my mind still has a pretty favorable outlook vs the right list.
So if you disincentivize maintaining arc, but your list isn't well-suited to taking down the PWT with a wide- open dial, I'd say taking Kanan out is better. Restricting the movement freedom with a greater-than-usual penalty of stress is not to be underestimated.
I should point out I ran Rey + Finn with VI (before Expertise was spoiled) but may as well have been the same as Expertise because I'd always use the focus offensively if I got the action, and having done it both with and without Kanan, I'd absolutely say that Kanan (enabling double mods on pretty much every turn) was really key to maintaining Rey's offense. Without him, it is so much harder to maintain arc. Especially stress-free.
Rey is probably my current favorite pilot so I know a lot about playing her. There is no one right choice because it all depends on what you are playing against her. In most cases the best choice is either Finn or the title. If you hit the title it basically removes Kannan's usefulness to Rey.