If Luke turned to the darkside and wanted to wipe out the Jedi and bring peace to the galaxy. Rey will follow. Kylo then turns to the lightside to defeat them.

It's the only twist that would shake up the staleness of Star Wars and stop rehashed stories.

Save Star Wars? Turning to the Dark Side to bring peace to the galaxy?

Brrrrrrr

lol, well what do you mean by saving $tar War$. I don't think Disney is done sucking it for every penny by far. So far for them it has turned into a positive feedback loop. The more they put out, the more people get excited, the more people get excited, the more they hype it up, the more they hype it up, the more people go see movies, movies make money, Disney makes mover movies and on and on until the Fatigue sets in where we get the Max Rebo movie.

I don't know maybe the Jedi are attracting the Yuzzahan Vong to the Galaxy and the Sith were trying to cover it by shrouding it in the dark side. The Jedi were too ignorant to see it and then Luke finally realized the truth. Or, who cares because they are going to have to put in a reshoot where General Leia dies because Disney couldn't secure the rights for CGI Carrier Fischer from her family.

It'd be interesting if Luke went dark, Rey and Kylo save him, then Ep 9 the team goes after Snoke... but that won't happen

Yes

I can see Luke slowly going crazy on the island.

Luke: 'Obi-Wan never told you the truth about your father'.

Luke: 'He told me enough, he told me I killed him'.

Luke: 'No, I am my father'

Turning Luke dark would be the laziest cop out for a dark twist. I do not believe Disney is bringing Luke, the main hero back, just to turn him into the villain. Luke might have realised the way of the jedi is not the true path, but turn dark and evil, no.

Luke has rejected the dark side twice, having him turn to the dark side now would be the ruin of his character. He has always been and should always be a warrior of light.

2 hours ago, Marinealver said:

lol, well what do you mean by saving $tar War$. I don't think Disney is done sucking it for every penny by far. So far for them it has turned into a positive feedback loop. The more they put out, the more people get excited, the more people get excited, the more they hype it up, the more they hype it up, the more people go see movies, movies make money, Disney makes mover movies and on and on until the Fatigue sets in where we get the Max Rebo movie.

I don't know maybe the Jedi are attracting the Yuzzahan Vong to the Galaxy and the Sith were trying to cover it by shrouding it in the dark side. The Jedi were too ignorant to see it and then Luke finally realized the truth. Or, who cares because they are going to have to put in a reshoot where General Leia dies because Disney couldn't secure the rights for CGI Carrier Fischer from her family.

They (Disney) aren't doing any reshoots after Carrie Fisher's passing. Also, as of Rogue One they already had a CGI Carrier Fisher so how's that an issue.

To be honest, I didn't think it was such a prevalent opinion that Star Wars needed saving?

Saving?

Star Wars survived the Ewoks; it can clearly withstand anything.

Dark Empire sucked.

Save Star Wars? LOL! Have you seen the box office numbers and critic reviews? Star Wars needs no saving. Some fanboys might not be happy with the current direction but it's obviously picking up WAY more fans than it's losing.

Have you seen Return of the Jedi? Luke used the Dark Side to overpower Vader. The stories of Luke and Vader are different because Luke realizes he made a mistake and stands down. If Luke committed to the Dark Side it would make Luke a "rehashed story" of his father.

I don't see how anyone can call Star Wars stale. Sure the TFA plot mirrored ANH, but so did TPM. That's the point; each trilogy in the main saga is supposed to be the same, but different. If you want different, refreshing Star Wars, then look beyond the main films. There is plenty of non-repetitive storytelling in both neocanon and Legends.

The only real weakness I see in the Mouse's new version of SW is I cannot see how they are going to get more Darth Vader in the movies (as in his powerful yet brief appearance in the closing moments of Rouge One). Let's face it, in order for there to be a balanced and powerful movie, you have to have a believable bad-guy, yes? Vader was that and was made even more so. Kylo was well done until he removed his mask and went angry teen. Bringing Skywalker back to train the 'unbelievable wonder-chick' is great and all that, but I cannot see balance there when I look at the other side....the appearance of the dark side being vastly superior in their bluster and aggression as the seemingly under-matched young padawan is trained by the crusty old power amplifier is simply had to foresee. But hey, I'm not the Emperor, and he missed much prophecy too.

What's a poor mouse to do?

Dude, the entire point of the original trilogy is for Luke to reject the dark side. What everyone wants with their so called trilogies these days is the "holy crap" moment of "I am your father" followed up with the "You've failed your highness. I'll never turn to the dark side. I am a Jedi like my father before me." Everyone gets so caught up in bagging on the Ewoks because they can't believe like Luke. Luke's belief causes one of film's greatest villains to stand up and claim his redemption.

Turning Luke "dark" just undoes the whole point of the movies everyone proclaims to love so much.

1 hour ago, clanofwolves said:

Saving?

Star Wars survived the Ewoks; it can clearly withstand anything.

More importantly, Star Wars survived the prequels...

Dude. Star Wars does not need saving. All fans are asking for is well-written movies. Overall, the guys in charge do well. Certainly a lot better than the prequels.

Rogue one was very good, imho. And a break from the "classic" movies, while still adding a lot to the universe. TFA did not meet my expectations, mainly because of some scenes that could have been easily avoided (like Phasma collaborating! Holy ****! How can the first storm trooper defect! Her character is like... all about NOT doing that.)

Luke turning dark would be way to flat. Luke turning gray... I can see that, no problem.

Perhaps one must embrace a larger view of the Force and then just "do it". Btw did you know Palapatine earned his vast fortune endorsing Space-NIKE(tm)?

One of the proposed endings for ROTJ was Luke putting on his father's mask and saying 'now I am Darth Vader'. Wisely this was not in the final version.

1 hour ago, weisguy119 said:

Save Star Wars? LOL! Have you seen the box office numbers and critic reviews? Star Wars needs no saving. Some fanboys might not be happy with the current direction but it's obviously picking up WAY more fans than it's losing.

I think the OP was thinking about narratively, not financially. But I also think the OP missed the point of Star Wars, the hero's journey, the mono-myth that has been told and retold for thousands of years.

Pretty sure Luke is going Revan, balance the force, end the Jedi and the Sith, begin the new force tradition with the focus on the balance. No longer will a Jedi Order try to arrest the winds of change nor will the Sith need to seek to change things for change sake.

Rey will be his first apprentice in the new enlightened force tradition and end the Sith while he abandons the Jedi.

10 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

I think the OP was thinking about narratively, not financially. But I also think the OP missed the point of Star Wars, the hero's journey, the mono-myth that has been told and retold for thousands of years.

Narratively, the Force just needs to stop being treated as DnD alignments of stat points based on actions. The Dark Side in particular needs better exploration then "kicked a puppy, +2 Dark Side points!"

The problem is that I'm pretty sure almost all of the original Dark Side dialog from RotJ is gibberish, but it has way more interesting perspectives you can take than "doing bad things makes you bad guy".

26 minutes ago, Sciencius said:

Perhaps one must embrace a larger view of the Force and then just "do it". Btw did you know Palapatine earned his vast fortune endorsing Space-NIKE(tm)?

Con McDickwind is such an awesome actor.

9 minutes ago, Jetfire said:

Pretty sure Luke is going Revan, balance the force, end the Jedi and the Sith, begin the new force tradition with the focus on the balance. No longer will a Jedi Order try to arrest the winds of change nor will the Sith need to seek to change things for change sake.

Rey will be his first apprentice in the new enlightened force tradition and end the Sith while he abandons the Jedi.

They tie it back to Bendu: "I'm the one in the middle."

9 minutes ago, LunarSol said:

Narratively, the Force just needs to stop being treated as DnD alignments of stat points based on actions. The Dark Side in particular needs better exploration then "kicked a puppy, +2 Dark Side points!"

The problem is that I'm pretty sure almost all of the original Dark Side dialog from RotJ is gibberish, but it has way more interesting perspectives you can take than "doing bad things makes you bad guy".

I've always had the impression Star Wars was supposed to be morally simple by author intent, with a definite 'good side' and 'bad side' without exploring the grey area in between or the deeper morals of good/bad guys too much.