22 hours ago, hey_yu said:

Is this topic for real? Stuff happens and it's just a game.

in casual yeah, it's just a game.

but if you drove 3-6 hours and booked a room, took leave, don't say it's just a game.

Under some lighting conditions, I find difficult if not darn near impossible to differentiate between Imp and Scum dial backs. Maybe it's a glitch in my eyesight. Whatever it is, I have grabbed the wrong dial on more than one occasion. Not in the same game but more than once. The situation was dealt with amicably and the game continued.

To the OP if the only solution you came up with is an automatic loss, step back and rethink the situation. Something else might pop up that is fair and equitable.

3 minutes ago, spacelion said:

in casual yeah, it's just a game.

but if you drove 3-6 hours and booked a room, took leave, don't say it's just a game.

It's still just a game but it became more expensive. Do you think you should auto lose, if after six hours of play, you grab the wrong dial? Or your opponent if the situation was reversed?

16 minutes ago, spacelion said:

in casual yeah, it's just a game.

but if you drove 3-6 hours and booked a room, took leave, don't say it's just a game.

I played tournament games too. Accidental stuff happens at times.

17 hours ago, Rikk1980 said:

How about letting the "victim" set their maneuver when the ship activates, that is a pretty big punishment for the offender without breaking the game.

This seems like the most reasonable and fair solution proposed in this thread.

I just write my name on the bottom of my dials.

On April 15, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Turbo Toker said:

I'm listening to episode 61 of Mynock. They interview a Worlds judge.

And the judge was talking about how Wade or Frank or who ever told him that if a dial is looked at, that the opponent gets to look at and change an opponent's dial in response.

This is utterly ridiculous. If that's the actual rule or were to become the actual rule, there is nothing to stop you from purposefully doing it when exchanging dials would benefit you.

I see no option other than an immediate game loss. Players should be more careful, before picking up a dial, take a second to double check.

Accidents happen. You need to calm down.

Intentional cheating should constitute a game loss, but you have to make sure that's the case. One example would be, "purposely picking up your opponents dial when exchanging dials would benefit you". Lol.

1 hour ago, spacelion said:

in casual yeah, it's just a game.

but if you drove 3-6 hours and booked a room, took leave, don't say it's just a game.

This is a hobby you do for fun. You wouldn't be in that room driving 3-6 hours if you weren't having fun. Yes if someone is cheating, by all means, call them out on it, but accidents do happen and at the end of the day, this IS just a game. As someone who enjoys the social and fun aspect and does attend tournaments based on this, if I make a mistake like that enduring a game loss doesn't sound like a fun experience to me and if a player would be so cutthroat as to ask for that just makes me want to puke. I also drove 3-6 hours, booked a room, and took leave...being disqualified for a simple accidental mistake while I am tired is far from fun or fair.

I've mixed up dials now and again too, and had them mixed up on me. Modifying your own dial covers, marking your dials, all that is fine and well if you don't have 80 ships to take care of like this. So anymore when I pick up the dial I put a finger over the actual maneuver to make sure its at least the right ship. I really like the idea of colored round stickers and have seen those many times too. Easy to clear up confusion.

Game loss is way too severe, but I trust the judges will know if someone is intentionally trying to "game" the system and assign a penalty accordingly.

5 minutes ago, jonnyd said:

I've mixed up dials now and again too, and had them mixed up on me. Modifying your own dial covers, marking your dials, all that is fine and well if you don't have 80 ships to take care of like this. So anymore when I pick up the dial I put a finger over the actual maneuver to make sure its at least the right ship. I really like the idea of colored round stickers and have seen those many times too. Easy to clear up confusion.

Game loss is way too severe, but I trust the judges will know if someone is intentionally trying to "game" the system and assign a penalty accordingly.

I've put the blue dot stickers from the token bags on the back of the dials I use most. But yeah, too many dials, not enough stickers.

Not every bag has a sticker, and the only color I've seen is blue. Need to hit up a stationery store and buy some little stickers.

Just have the victim have the option to change his dial that the guy looked at, also he can choose to have one of the opponent's ships not take any actions or assign one disabled token to a ship of your choice.

I always put my dials on my cards. If my opponent asks for them on the playing field, I put them there instead. I leave the dials face up on the cards, not sure how their could be any confusion... pretty sure I've only been asked to put them on the mat twice, and I did with no complaint and it was a non issue.

2 hours ago, FangedChicken said:

Accidents happen. You need to calm down.

Intentional cheating should constitute a game loss, but you have to make sure that's the case. One example would be, "purposely picking up your opponents dial when exchanging dials would benefit you". Lol.

Prove that it is intentional. That's right, you can't. What, are you going to give someone a game loss for a mistake?! Accidents happen, it's just a game.

So just use it once per event. Phone a Friend. Ask the Audience. Not even game designers or Worlds judges will actually punish you for it.

And please stop getting angry at me for saying these things. I bring these things up because I do not want them allowed. How much more clear do I have to make this?

1 hour ago, Tbetts94 said:

Just have the victim have the option to change his dial that the guy looked at, also he can choose to have one of the opponent's ships not take any actions or assign one disabled token to a ship of your choice.

I have 3-4 ships or maybe more, you have one or two high value ships. You don't even have to outnumber your opponent for it to be a viable option, I just bring that up as an easy example.

In certain situations, the benefits of knowing where a certain ship is going or where the owner originally wanted it to go would outweigh the downsides.

Who decided to make an alt account after getting banned? My list of suspects is one name long.

56 minutes ago, Turbo Toker said:

Prove that it is intentional. That's right, you can't. What, are you going to give someone a game loss for a mistake?! Accidents happen, it's just a game.

So just use it once per event. Phone a Friend. Ask the Audience. Not even game designers or Worlds judges will actually punish you for it.

And please stop getting angry at me for saying these things. I bring these things up because I do not want them allowed. How much more clear do I have to make this?

Prove that it isn't intentional. Equally difficult. However, there's this whole "presumption of innocence" concept on which all justice is founded. Screaming "J'accuse" and calling for your opponents head isn't a solution, it's an overreaction.

36 minutes ago, NakedDex said:

Prove that it isn't intentional. Equally difficult. However, there's this whole "presumption of innocence" concept on which all justice is founded. Screaming "J'accuse" and calling for your opponents head isn't a solution, it's an overreaction.

Yep.

So why not just use it once per event? You'll get away with a slap on the wrist. Even Worlds judges won't punish you for it.

11 minutes ago, Turbo Toker said:

Yep.

So why not just use it once per event? You'll get away with a slap on the wrist. Even Worlds judges won't punish you for it.

Because most X-Wing players don't want to cheat. That's why accidental dial pickings-upsings isn't the issue you're trying to make it out to be.

So, @Turbo Toker, I am very interested in seeing your reaction to this post from Stoneface.

6 hours ago, Stoneface said:

It's still just a game but it became more expensive. Do you think you should auto lose, if after six hours of play, you grab the wrong dial? Or your opponent if the situation was reversed?

Are _you_ willing to be expelled from a tournament for picking up someone else's dial, even if it is an accident?

If it's blatant then yes.

5 minutes ago, Shadow345 said:

If it's blatant then yes.

Hence the "even if it is an accident". Judges usually aren't going to be there watching to know if it was blatant or not when they have to make a call

23 minutes ago, Turbo Toker said:

Yep.

So why not just use it once per event? You'll get away with a slap on the wrist. Even Worlds judges won't punish you for it.

Because to expel someone from an event, you have to prove wrong-doing. You can't, in this case, unless it's a repeated offence, in which case there are already steps in place to address that right up to and including expulsion.

You seem to believe that everyone is out to cheat you out of a win.

1 hour ago, SabineKey said:

So, @Turbo Toker, I am very interested in seeing your reaction to this post from Stoneface.

Are _you_ willing to be expelled from a tournament for picking up someone else's dial, even if it is an accident?

Let me get this straight. It would just result in a game loss.

But yes, if I had picked up an opponent's dial and looked at it improperly, I would realize my mistake, notify my opponent, and then I would accept the game loss. Maybe I'd call over a judge on myself just to make the rule clear to my opponent.

I understand that we should be friendly and Fly Casual and all that, but this is extreme. I get that a game loss sounds extreme, but you picked up an >>>opponent's dial and looked at it<<<.

3 hours ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

Who decided to make an alt account after getting banned? My list of suspects is one name long.

How many people actually get banned from these forums?

3 hours ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

Who decided to make an alt account after getting banned? My list of suspects is one name long.

Does it rhyme with TaraDoomaPlayer