Just now, VanderLegion said:

IIRC, pretty sure they USE the gravity wells in Rebels, so too late to change that.

Depends on where that info comes from. Actual episode? We're doomed. Rebels Recon? That can still be overidden by some publication.

Just now, Admiral Deathrain said:

Depends on where that info comes from. Actual episode? We're doomed. Rebels Recon? That can still be overidden by some publication.

Actual episode

59 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

No, that's why you've forgive the story breaking the rules of its world. That's what I mean by lazy. Han Solo can break the rules because he's Han Solo. The writer (if they even understood the rules) took an easy out to getting onto the base and took it because it also gave an excuse for a badass Han Solo "moment."

Don't tell me what I think.

These rules you keep referring to were they in some Zahn book? I've never read them. The only real explanation I recall for interstellar travel is in Ep 4 where Han explains to Luke they need to make the right calculations before they jump.

2 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

Don't tell me what I think.

These rules you keep referring to were they in some Zahn book? I've never read them. The only real explanation I recall for interstellar travel is in Ep 4 where Han explains to Luke they need to make the right calculations before they jump.

Specifically that they "should" make the right calculations before they jump.

25 minutes ago, LunarSol said:

Specifically that they "should" make the right calculations before they jump.

I'm sure if they tried to jump without making the calculations that C-3po would spout off the very small odds of navigating successfully

If there aren't any rules against hyperspacing into a planet then why do all the other characters say you can't do it?

Begs the question as to why the Rebellion didn't just try such a thing at Endor. They had more than enough fighters to ensure that at least some of the fighters appeared inside the Death Star's shield, there'd be no reason to worry about sending a strike team to the planet's surface, and the Rebel fleet would be able to be held back in reserve until the lay of the battlefield was observed and so they didn't fall into any kind of, you know, trap.

Emperor: This is all going as I have forseen it.

Slight tremor rocks the throne room.

Jerjerrod: My Emperor, a large number of Rebel fighters have jumped inside the perimeter of the defense shield. While about 1/4 impacted on the surface of the station, the rest are heading straight for the access tunnel which leads to the reactor.

Emperor: Where is Vader and the fleet?

Jerjerrod: Still on the other side of the moon Your Highness.

Emperor: Launch all fighters and intercept those Rebels lower the shield and ready my personal shuttle for launch.

A much louder explosion nearly throws the Emperor out of his throne.

Jerjerrod: Oh dear. My Emperor, the shield has been lowered, but a number of Rebel bombers have just struck the hangar by your tower and the core has just taken a direct hit from the other fighters. The Rebels are using the lowered shield to escape into hyperspace I'm afraid you'll have to <BOOOM>.

Vader (watching the Death Star explode): Well he can't blame THAT one on me. Oh well Emperor Vader sounds pretty nice right guys? RIGHT GUYS?

Admiral Akbar: The Death Star has been destroyed and we've avoided bringing our fleet into an Imperial ambush. Can you imagine the cost losing a few fighters compared to losing even one of our Cruisers?

The Rebels high five each other while Luke pouts about being unable to see daddy again. Cut to blue colored credits.

6 hours ago, Frimmel said:

What I would NOT have done is take away the entirety of the happy ending of ROTJ.

Han would not have broken up with Leia and gone back to being a bad criminal hustling other criminals. Leia and Han would still be together and devoted to each other especially if one of their kids had gone off the rails.

Han and Leia's kid would not be "Ben." It would be "Bail" or some other name important to Han and Leia. Leia didn't even meet Ben.

Luke would not have gone to hide in a cave leaving a force wielding malevolent child to wreak havoc especially if it is his nephew.

I would not have done Death Star III and most certainly wouldn't have done it as stupidly as TFA did. (I'd make a bet that JJ kept that from a story he wrote as a kid.)

The Resistance would be the bad guys trying to bring back the tyranny of The Empire and we'd have The New Republic still struggling with unraveling what The Galactic Empire had wrought and the messes created by the fall of Palpatine. The Resistance would be made up of planets full of corrupt officials under the thumb of corporate conglomerates who'd stepped in or kept their power despite the fall of The Empire.

I also hate that Han and Leia are estranged. Han was the only bright point in this otherwise horrible movie, but this was a really dumb idea. Han WAS a scoundrel in the early OT, but he found both true love and a cause worth becoming a hero for. Then he just went back to smuggling? No way.

12 minutes ago, Helias de Nappo said:

I also hate that Han and Leia are estranged. Han was the only bright point in this otherwise horrible movie, but this was a really dumb idea. Han WAS a scoundrel in the early OT, but he found both true love and a cause worth becoming a hero for. Then he just went back to smuggling? No way.

The new republic didn't NEED heroes anymore after it was established and they made peace.

55 minutes ago, flyboymb said:

Begs the question as to why the Rebellion didn't just try such a thing at Endor. They had more than enough fighters to ensure that at least some of the fighters appeared inside the Death Star's shield, there'd be no reason to worry about sending a strike team to the planet's surface, and the Rebel fleet would be able to be held back in reserve until the lay of the battlefield was observed and so they didn't fall into any kind of, you know, trap.

Emperor: This is all going as I have forseen it.

Slight tremor rocks the throne room.

Jerjerrod: My Emperor, a large number of Rebel fighters have jumped inside the perimeter of the defense shield. While about 1/4 impacted on the surface of the station, the rest are heading straight for the access tunnel which leads to the reactor.

Emperor: Where is Vader and the fleet?

Jerjerrod: Still on the other side of the moon Your Highness.

Emperor: Launch all fighters and intercept those Rebels lower the shield and ready my personal shuttle for launch.

A much louder explosion nearly throws the Emperor out of his throne.

Jerjerrod: Oh dear. My Emperor, the shield has been lowered, but a number of Rebel bombers have just struck the hangar by your tower and the core has just taken a direct hit from the other fighters. The Rebels are using the lowered shield to escape into hyperspace I'm afraid you'll have to <BOOOM>.

Vader (watching the Death Star explode): Well he can't blame THAT one on me. Oh well Emperor Vader sounds pretty nice right guys? RIGHT GUYS?

Admiral Akbar: The Death Star has been destroyed and we've avoided bringing our fleet into an Imperial ambush. Can you imagine the cost losing a few fighters compared to losing even one of our Cruisers?

The Rebels high five each other while Luke pouts about being unable to see daddy again. Cut to blue colored credits.

Why didn't the giant eagles fly Frodo straight to Mordor?

12 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

Why didn't the giant eagles fly Frodo straight to Mordor?

Cause Gandalf fell into the mines of Moria before they got to where they were gonna take the eagles from and no one else knew about the plan

47 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

Why didn't the giant eagles fly Frodo straight to Mordor?

The Nazgul had flying mounts that would have eaten the Eagles as a snack. Also Sauron would have seen them coming. So, yeah, not really a good idea when you think about it.

1 hour ago, flyboymb said:

Begs the question as to why the Rebellion didn't just try such a thing at Endor. They had more than enough fighters to ensure that at least some of the fighters appeared inside the Death Star's shield, there'd be no reason to worry about sending a strike team to the planet's surface, and the Rebel fleet would be able to be held back in reserve until the lay of the battlefield was observed and so they didn't fall into any kind of, you know, trap.

Emperor: This is all going as I have forseen it.

Slight tremor rocks the throne room.

Jerjerrod: My Emperor, a large number of Rebel fighters have jumped inside the perimeter of the defense shield. While about 1/4 impacted on the surface of the station, the rest are heading straight for the access tunnel which leads to the reactor.

Emperor: Where is Vader and the fleet?

Jerjerrod: Still on the other side of the moon Your Highness.

Emperor: Launch all fighters and intercept those Rebels lower the shield and ready my personal shuttle for launch.

A much louder explosion nearly throws the Emperor out of his throne.

Jerjerrod: Oh dear. My Emperor, the shield has been lowered, but a number of Rebel bombers have just struck the hangar by your tower and the core has just taken a direct hit from the other fighters. The Rebels are using the lowered shield to escape into hyperspace I'm afraid you'll have to <BOOOM>.

Vader (watching the Death Star explode): Well he can't blame THAT one on me. Oh well Emperor Vader sounds pretty nice right guys? RIGHT GUYS?

Admiral Akbar: The Death Star has been destroyed and we've avoided bringing our fleet into an Imperial ambush. Can you imagine the cost losing a few fighters compared to losing even one of our Cruisers?

The Rebels high five each other while Luke pouts about being unable to see daddy again. Cut to blue colored credits.

There was the battle of Scarif, a battle that had a covert force sneak through a sheild to the planet's surface while a fleet engaged the Imperials in orbit and awaited the covert strike team to accomplish their mission. And it worked, leading to the Rebel's first real victory. So yeah, why not try the plan again? The Empire built another Death Star, the rebels could have another battle of Scarif.

Really, it now looks like Ackbar and Madine want to book end the war with the same battle tactics that worked a few years before. No imagination, and faulty intelligence almost doomed the rebels, but for the magic of friendship and the weakness of Stormtrooper armour saving the day.

Also Han is the one who thinks up jumping through shields, and most people in the rebellion wouldn't be devil-may-care smugglers that pull crazy stunts all the time. Han may not have even thought about this particular trick until years AFTER Endor.

2 hours ago, Frimmel said:

If there aren't any rules against hyperspacing into a planet then why do all the other characters say you can't do it?

It's like taking the safety protocols off the transporter or he holodeck, it always ends in disaster. Unless you have don't enough plot armor and are savvy enough to realize it.

12 hours ago, Helias de Nappo said:

I also hate that Han and Leia are estranged. Han was the only bright point in this otherwise horrible movie, but this was a really dumb idea. Han WAS a scoundrel in the early OT, but he found both true love and a cause worth becoming a hero for. Then he just went back to smuggling? No way.

He was running away from his pain and guilt over Ben. Kylo claimed that Han was a disappointing father. Maybe in his heart, Han felt the same way and blamed himself to some extent for his son's fall. Not to mention the deaths of the new Jedi, the destruction of their temple and everything that his best friend had spent the last quarter of a century working to rebuild.

It seems like Han and Luke both blamed themselves for failing as father and teacher respectively. Leia blamed Snoke but Bloodlines strongly hints that it is her revelation to Ben of his true heritage that sends him down the dark path in the first place.

Han and Leia are estranged not because they hate each other but because being together is too painful for them after what happened to their son. With their son gone, they both went back to only things they had. For Leia, fighting. For Han, smuggling.

On 2017-04-14 at 3:18 PM, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

So we've all seen the trailer. What a disappointment.

Looks like TLJ:: ESB as TFA::ANH, and I found the "homage" aspect of TFA to be far too heavy-handed and stale.



But we've got:

Sandspeeders (instead of snowspeeders) racing across a sand desert (instead of an ice desert) to fight AT-ATs
Looks like we have Resistance ships possibly getting ready to run a blockade of the First Order's superior forces
Looks like Rey will be training with the exiled Yoda (I mean Luke) who is pessimistic about training her, probably
Looks very likely that Poe and Finn will get captured and tortured (Poe's Black One blowing up before he can get to it, and Finn in some torture-chair), just like Han was tortured on Cloud City, probably to draw Rey out (just like Luke)


Here's hoping it's a feign by LFL, but if Episode 8 is just ESB v2.0, I'm pretty much just sticking to the Non-Episodic Anthology Films, because TFA was junk as far as story and story-telling goes (though it looked beautiful).

Well for one, Yoda was training Luke to become a Jedi. In the trailer Luke says there must be no more Jedi. To me, the movie is going to adress one flaw of the first 2 trilogies. Balance isnt the Light winning over the dark. Just that fact makes me believe the movie will be far more different than what people expect.

Finn isnt in a torture chair, it's a survival capsule.

Nothing in the trailer suggest that Poe is captured. He's just present during an attack where his Xwing is blown up. Maybe hes going to escape with another ship?

As for the "speeders" we dont know what they are going to do. All we know is that there are some AT-ATs in the horizon. We dont even know if they are rebels...

Star Wars went from a fairytale/myth with a 'rounded' storyline to a continuing story. In order to do that, the character of the tale has to change to something a bit more like, I'm sorry, a soap opera. So relationships are not happy ever after, even if RotJ clearly implies it. I don't think there is an alternative other than simply not continuing the story (which is commercially stupid).

Star Wars was a tale where everything worked out in the end. But nothing ever ends, Adrian.

I do like the style of these new movies better than old, so that said, what we really need is the movies 1-3 remade because they are just pure dingdong... I dont know what happend with George Lucas at that time, but he totally ruined those movies big time.

13 hours ago, VanderLegion said:

The new republic didn't NEED heroes anymore after it was established and they made peace.

Regardless of what the New Republic needed, Han was a changed man. The Han Solo that I knew from RotJ would have either found a place where heroes were needed (surely someone in the Galaxy needs a hero, but surely this New Republic, if the movies were written well, would still need a gifted general) or else he would have settled down and lived happily ever after with his princess.

1 hour ago, Karhedron said:

He was running away from his pain and guilt over Ben. Kylo claimed that Han was a disappointing father. Maybe in his heart, Han felt the same way and blamed himself to some extent for his son's fall. Not to mention the deaths of the new Jedi, the destruction of their temple and everything that his best friend had spent the last quarter of a century working to rebuild.

It seems like Han and Luke both blamed themselves for failing as father and teacher respectively. Leia blamed Snoke but Bloodlines strongly hints that it is her revelation to Ben of his true heritage that sends him down the dark path in the first place.

Han and Leia are estranged not because they hate each other but because being together is too painful for them after what happened to their son. With their son gone, they both went back to only things they had. For Leia, fighting. For Han, smuggling.

I get that that's the explanation. I just don't like it!

Fairy tale romanticism is one of the things that used to set Star Wars apart from other space settings (I don't say 'science fiction' since Star Wars isn't that, but most space settings are).

6 minutes ago, Helias de Nappo said:

Regardless of what the New Republic needed, Han was a changed man. The Han Solo that I knew from RotJ would have either found a place where heroes were needed (surely someone in the Galaxy needs a hero, but surely this New Republic, if the movies were written well, would still need a gifted general) or else he would have settled down and lived happily ever after with his princess.

And he was that settled man for about 25 years. Then his son went on a rampage, killing his fellow students and joining the thing (well, an off shoot) that Han and Leia had fought against. Grieved at what had happened and perhaps feeling a measure of guilt, both Han and Leia went back to "simpler" times. For Han, that was when he just had to worry about him, Chewiee, and his ship. He did that for about 5 years before TFA, and he was drawn back into the fight.

1 hour ago, Karhedron said:

He was running away from his pain and guilt over Ben. Kylo claimed that Han was a disappointing father. Maybe in his heart, Han felt the same way and blamed himself to some extent for his son's fall. Not to mention the deaths of the new Jedi, the destruction of their temple and everything that his best friend had spent the last quarter of a century working to rebuild.

It seems like Han and Luke both blamed themselves for failing as father and teacher respectively. Leia blamed Snoke but Bloodlines strongly hints that it is her revelation to Ben of his true heritage that sends him down the dark path in the first place.

Han and Leia are estranged not because they hate each other but because being together is too painful for them after what happened to their son. With their son gone, they both went back to only things they had. For Leia, fighting. For Han, smuggling.

They quit. Like regular ordinary boring people the going got tough and they quit going. Marriage got too tough so they quit. One of his students went wrong so Luke quit. Eff that noise with a sequoia.

I don't go to the movies to see "real life." I go to see what I should be aspire to be. Courageous and steadfast and resolute and a person who doesn't bail on their vows because it got tough. I can walk around all day and get more than enough cynicism than I can stomach. How's it go, "Fairy tales are more than true. Not because they tell us that dragons exist but because they tell us dragons can be beaten."

My heroes don't let the dragons win and that's the fundamental failing and pile of crap that is TFA. The dragons won.

FWIW, the shield around the DS2 was probably a lot closer to the surface than the one around Starkiller base due to relative size and atmosphere and the like. (though both the DS2 and Starkiller base are listed on Wookepedia as abysmally small; Pluto dwarfs either). At the speed of light it probably gave Han an extra 0.000004 second buffer to make the jump.

52 minutes ago, Zazaa said:

I do like the style of these new movies better than old, so that said, what we really need is the movies 1-3 remade because they are just pure dingdong... I dont know what happend with George Lucas at that time, but he totally ruined those movies big time.

Too bad TPTB said they won't touch the prequels, whenever it's for a remake or reboot.

40 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

They quit. Like regular ordinary boring people the going got tough and they quit going. Marriage got too tough so they quit. One of his students went wrong so Luke quit. Eff that noise with a sequoia.

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So how do you feel about having your nephew and his buddies slaughtering everybody in your school that you ran? How would you feel when your son went on a massacre against good people?