Yes, tell me what you think of this book based on its cover.

Or watching a short teaser if it.

Save yourself the trouble and don't bother with it.

17 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

So we've all seen the trailer. What a disappointment.

Looks like TLJ:: ESB as TFA::ANH, and I found the "homage" aspect of TFA to be far too heavy-handed and stale.



But we've got:

Sandspeeders (instead of snowspeeders) racing across a sand desert (instead of an ice desert) to fight AT-ATs
Looks like we have Resistance ships possibly getting ready to run a blockade of the First Order's superior forces
Looks like Rey will be training with the exiled Yoda (I mean Luke) who is pessimistic about training her, probably
Looks very likely that Poe and Finn will get captured and tortured (Poe's Black One blowing up before he can get to it, and Finn in some torture-chair), just like Han was tortured on Cloud City, probably to draw Rey out (just like Luke)


Here's hoping it's a feign by LFL, but if Episode 8 is just ESB v2.0, I'm pretty much just sticking to the Non-Episodic Anthology Films, because TFA was junk as far as story and story-telling goes (though it looked beautiful).

"....it's called a conclusions mat..."

4 minutes ago, mamajamma21 said:

"....it's called a conclusions mat..."

I thought Matt was actually Kylo Ren.

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/undercover-boss-starkiller-base/2969845?snl=1

8 hours ago, SabineKey said:

No, they bought the IP to be able to get money for Star Wars products, which include several new comic book series done by Marvel, licensing EA to make more Star Wars games (including a teased project from a lady who worked on the Uncharted series), new novels, a tv show, new mainline episodes, and spinoff films. And that's not even mentioning the biggest Star Wars money maker: merchandising! They've got toys, clothes, coloring books, and Disney parks etc

Of course. That's all part and parcel with why they bought the IP. All of that bonus stuff all the merch etc is really based off of the movies though. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough but there aren't any action figures for the Vuzon Vong that I know of.

The point is: Disney didn't make their decision to buy a money making machine based off of some mid 1990's novels and video games.

1 hour ago, BlodVargarna said:

Of course. That's all part and parcel with why they bought the IP. All of that bonus stuff all the merch etc is really based off of the movies though. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough but there aren't any action figures for the Vuzon Vong that I know of.

The point is: Disney didn't make their decision to buy a money making machine based off of some mid 1990's novels and video games.

No, but the books and video games being made still being made around the time of the purchase (the book Scoundrels, the video game the Old Republic) were signs of a franchise who's customer base was still alive and active.

Why is it so distainful to you that other people find value in EU material?

1 hour ago, BlodVargarna said:

Of course. That's all part and parcel with why they bought the IP. All of that bonus stuff all the merch etc is really based off of the movies though. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough but there aren't any action figures for the Vuzon Vong that I know of.

The point is: Disney didn't make their decision to buy a money making machine based off of some mid 1990's novels and video games.

It was the facts that SW came back to making new movies after a break of almost 20 years, and that the 90s lucasfilm business was thriving on Novels, Toys, SOTE multimedia bananza, and rereleases of movies from the 70s and early 80s. This proved the market was there and SW had actually become a generational phenomenon. And that fans would see crappy prequel movies even while complaining about it. I think Micheal Bay was paying attention to that as well.

5 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

Why is it so distainful to you that other people find value in EU material?

I don't have a problem with people liking EU. I do think the fans of EU over value its impact overall to the Star Wars phenomenon and comments earlier like Disney binning most of the EU as some slap in the face to fandom I find ridiculous.

The notion that the EU sustained Star Wars between OT and prequels I think is also absurd.

The EU was there yes, but the prequels would have happened regardless of Tim Zahn's novels or video games and comics.

The commercial success of the prequels and yes all the merchandise surrounding the IP drove Disney's decision making. They bought a money factory. Thank goodness they had the sense to not kill the golden goose and put a brilliant woman in Kathleen Kennedy in charge.

Toys. It is all about Toys (and then computer games). Lucas saw it before it happened, Ford saw it too. Disney sees it, and so there are many, many toys out there. That is where the money is; the media is a means to an end. I happen to own more than a few toys, as do you all, I am sure. The EU served its purpose by keeping interest in the (spit) franchise alive, but it never sold any toys, only computer games.

The EU was good, while it lasted, but now they are legends. Some legends are true, some are not. I like how Disney is picking and choosing which legends to make real. It´ s not a slap in my face, irrespective of how much I liked Mara Jade. I cheered for Thrawn, but I cheered more for the TIE defender coming back. I was never a Gunship fan in the games so I don´ t care if they bring it back or not. Everything bar the Vong will make me happy though, if they choose to bring the legend back to life.

The key to happiness is to remove your expectation and divorce yourself from the past.

I liked the trailer, and couldn´ t read anything into it. Even the final line is ambiguous, it lacks context and could well be finished by another unsaid word or line. Finn´ s XWing is not in the explosion and could well survive. The idea that it is obviously a ESB copy is risible. Yes, I expect it to not have a happy ending, but that is the nature of the second act of a trilogy and is not limited to any genre of film or book.

It is going to be GREAT (as I have no expectation, obviously)!

34 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

I don't have a problem with people liking EU. I do think the fans of EU over value its impact overall to the Star Wars phenomenon and comments earlier like Disney binning most of the EU as some slap in the face to fandom I find ridiculous.

The notion that the EU sustained Star Wars between OT and prequels I think is also absurd.

The EU was there yes, but the prequels would have happened regardless of Tim Zahn's novels or video games and comics.

The commercial success of the prequels and yes all the merchandise surrounding the IP drove Disney's decision making. They bought a money factory. Thank goodness they had the sense to not kill the golden goose and put a brilliant woman in Kathleen Kennedy in charge.

We're talking hypothetically here. We'll never know if there would have been more movies if not for the EU.

Errm, Lucas always said that there would be. Long before Zahn got involved.

I wish that "Ignored" forum users' posts were really ignored.

14 minutes ago, Larky Bobble said:

Errm, Lucas always said that there would be. Long before Zahn got involved.

Lucas said a lot of things.

Yeah, but I can´ t really believe that anything in the EU pumped people for The Phantom Menace. Really they were pumped by the special editions that were released two years prior, which again had nothing to do with the EU. The demand was always there waiting, and in spite of a couple of movies that did not resonate with veteran fans the demand is still there and will be for at least my lifetime. The EU´ s impact on sustaining the movie making potential is overstated, the fundamental concepts in SW are what generate the return audience (and therefore the toy/game sales).

8 hours ago, Zeoinx said:

Whatever those frigate, cruisers or whatever were for what might have been the rebellion with the what might be an A-wing look like crap. It looks like something NASA would have made.....

I dont know. They looked like updated Nebulon-B frigates to me.

22 minutes ago, BadMotivator said:

I dont know. They looked like updated Nebulon-B frigates to me.

Problem with that: There is a Nebulon-K in canon, but it is used by the First Order.

2 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

I don't have a problem with people liking EU. I do think the fans of EU over value its impact overall to the Star Wars phenomenon and comments earlier like Disney binning most of the EU as some slap in the face to fandom I find ridiculous.

The notion that the EU sustained Star Wars between OT and prequels I think is also absurd.

The EU was there yes, but the prequels would have happened regardless of Tim Zahn's novels or video games and comics.

The commercial success of the prequels and yes all the merchandise surrounding the IP drove Disney's decision making. They bought a money factory. Thank goodness they had the sense to not kill the golden goose and put a brilliant woman in Kathleen Kennedy in charge.

You still haven't proved that the EU is entirely irrelevant, like you originally claimed. I find the idea that the EU contributing nothing to the Prequel equally absurd. And once again, if it was as useless as you claim, why is Disney bringing back characters? Why are people begging for the likes of Mara Jade to return? Why is there a Darth Revan toy announced at i'm not saying that the movies aren't at the heart of Star Wars, I'm saying that there is more to Star Wars than just the movies, and Disney knew it. Look how many new books they have put out since buying Star Wars.

You are still underestimating the value of the EU, something Disney obviously saw since they have been adding extra content to their universe as soon as the ink dried on the deal.

24 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

You still haven't proved that the EU is entirely irrelevant, like you originally claimed.

Did I?

Maybe what I'm calling EU is different to what you're calling EU. At any rate, I'm sure the fan base of the EU was included in the price of the deal, I'm saying it was a very small percentage.

7 hours ago, DreadStar said:

Are you complaining because the trailer is a teaser rather than specifically telling you what the movie will be about other than a sequel to TFA ?

At one point during the ep. VIII panel interview, someone (Johnson? the presenter?) said something to the effect of "Star Wars has the greatest fans!" Applause sounded. I disagree. They're a nasty, hateful, frustrated bunch, gorging in their self-entitlement.

Why isn't this thread in the Off Topic section?

8 minutes ago, Verlaine said:

At one point during the ep. VIII panel interview, someone (Johnson? the presenter?) said something to the effect of "Star Wars has the greatest fans!" Applause sounded. I disagree. They're a nasty, hateful, frustrated bunch, gorging in their self-entitlement.

But dependable at the box office!

44 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

Did I?

Maybe what I'm calling EU is different to what you're calling EU. At any rate, I'm sure the fan base of the EU was included in the price of the deal, I'm saying it was a very small percentage.

So it did have an impact on Star Wars today. Thank you for admitting that yourself.

Just now, SabineKey said:

So it did have an impact on Star Wars today. Thank you for admitting that yourself.

What a fun exercise in pedantry.

3 hours ago, SabineKey said:

No, but the books and video games being made still being made around the time of the purchase (the book Scoundrels, the video game the Old Republic) were signs of a franchise who's customer base was still alive and active.

Why is it so distainful to you that other people find value in EU material?

Because fans of good Star Wars content (FoGSWC) perceive it as an attack on Star Wars, as if it blots out good Star Wars content.

They perceive it like that ruined Spanish fresco painting of Jesus that an old lady who was bad at painting decided to paint over herself. Look it up.

Lucas did it with the special editions. Then the prequels weren't good. And the EU apparently was ridiculous. How do you expect a FoGSWC to react with anything but visceral anger upon seeing a dancing Jar Jar Binks statue and learning that in the EU the galaxy has been taken over by a race of masochistic skeleton Zerg people that use coral as spaceships, and then realizing that Lucas did this to the original trilogy and that VHS tapes will not last forever?

So when Disney comes along and wipes the slate clean FoGSWC are happy. Before TFA came out, someone in our board gaming group was talking about how great the EU was, how they weren't going to see TFA because Disney wiped out the EU, and then said something about Yuzhan Vong. I've since heard him talk about how he doesn't mind Jar Jar Binks and that kids love him and how awful TFA was.

It's hard not to think that all of this dreck was just pandering to people with no taste.

4 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

What a fun exercise in pedantry.

Proving to you other people's opinions matter as well as yours? Worth it.

3 minutes ago, Turbo Toker said:

Because fans of good Star Wars content (FoGSWC) perceive it as an attack on Star Wars, as if it blots out good Star Wars content.

They perceive it like that ruined Spanish fresco painting of Jesus that an old lady who was bad at painting decided to paint over herself. Look it up.

Lucas did it with the special editions. Then the prequels weren't good. And the EU apparently was ridiculous. How do you expect a FoGSWC to react with anything but visceral anger upon seeing a dancing Jar Jar Binks statue and learning that in the EU the galaxy has been taken over by a race of masochistic skeleton Zerg people that use coral as spaceships, and then realizing that Lucas did this to the original trilogy and that VHS tapes will not last forever?

So when Disney comes along and wipes the slate clean FoGSWC are happy. Before TFA came out, someone in our board gaming group was talking about how great the EU was, how they weren't going to see TFA because Disney wiped out the EU, and then said something about Yuzhan Vong. I've since heard him talk about how he doesn't mind Jar Jar Binks and that kids love him and how awful TFA was.

It's hard not to think that all of this dreck was just pandering to people with no taste.

But what about the EU negated your enjoyment of the OT? You seem perfectly willing to ignore what you don't like, so why not the EU? And if other people enjoy the EU, what makes what you like about Star Wars more important then what others like about Star Wars?

The narrative that some EU fans seem to hold to that they were somehow keepers of the flame during the dark times between ROTJ and TPM, whithout whom the Star Wars universe would have faded to obscurity is poppycock.

That Disney owes them something because they read comic books and played video games is as someone here earlier posted self indulgent BS.

Did the EU matter in the transaction between Disney and Lucasfilm? I think not much if at all. Disney would still have bought the IP whether or not there was the Thrawn trilogy or the Rogue Squadron pulp or yes even Skippy the Jedi Robot.

As a fan of Star Wars for over 40 years, I don't owe the EU, or its fandom a daggum* thing.