2 hours ago, eMeM said:

This is literally literally (not figuratively literally) the worst argument one can come up with.

"Don't like it? **** you, do it better yourself!"

Don't like what the president is doing? Maybe get elected and show us!

Don't like a new law? Write a better one!

Don't like that your bread is stale? Bake a better one!

Don't like that the bus is late? Maybe you become a bus driver and show us all how you can be on time!

Don't like that portrait you paid me to pain? Well, maybe you could paint it better, huh?

Coming up with a good story is not what you do in five minutes and not everybody can do that.

You're taking it literally (not figuratively literally) way out of context.

3 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

I would really like to see the economics of the EU. While I don't have the facts so I'll admit this is conjecture, it could not have in any way come close to the revenue generated by the 6 films. Disney bought the Star Wars Universe because of Han Solo and the Millennium Falcon, not Skippy the Jedi Droid.

So? They still saw that a EU character like Thrawn had enough of a fan base to make them money, so they brought him back.

"This movie is too close to the originals. I want something fresh, new."

..."That movie was crap. It didn't feel like Star Wars."

One of those is pretty much what I hear about every Star Wars anything right now. Sometimes from the same people.

2 hours ago, Vode said:

Nope, they saw it because the starkiller shot warped the hyperspace or something like that. I know I know, doesn´t make much sense. But honestly not much in star wars does

Edit: Straight from the wiki: The space-time disruption caused by the phantom energy's passage would make the nova instantaneously visible thousands of light years away

Wonder if they use that same reasoning for Vulcan?

48 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

So? They still saw that a EU character like Thrawn had enough of a fan base to make them money, so they brought him back.

I would be willing to bet that Disney did NOT buy the IP from Lucas so they could put Thrawn in a cartoon. I bet they bought the IP because they want to make more movies, and get lots of money based off of the popularity of those movies.

2 hours ago, Vode said:

Edit: Straight from the wiki: The space-time disruption caused by the phantom energy's passage would make the nova instantaneously visible thousands of light years away

Really? That's the most BS retcon ever in Star Wars! (seems legit)

2 minutes ago, Odanan said:

Really? That's the most BS retcon ever in Star Wars! (seems legit)

Just blame it on the midichlorians.

I truly hate the fandom at times.

7 hours ago, Zeoinx said:

It has nothing to do with being negative, TFA in my eyes was complete crap, the only real good thing about that movie is the fact we saw the Falcon do some fancy flying inside a star destroyers engine and hull, and come out the other side. The rest of the movie was boring, the new x-wings look 1000x more fragile, and I wanted to play kickball with the new droid instead of install it inside a fighter.

Inverted colors on Tie Fighters, and slightly shinier white stormtroopers are not enough to impress me, as well as yet ONE MORE beam cannon super weapon that destroys planets. They need a new plot, they need actual talent writing a storyline, it was boring, hacky, and meh all around.

It honestly made prequels almost worth watching instead.....

Its like when EA releases **** titles full of bugs on release, you stop caring as much about the next release cause you know it will be **** too,,,,

You do realize this is Star Wars, right? What exactly do you want? Something so different from the originals that it looks and feels like a different franchise? I like my new Star Wars like my old Star Wars.

It already won't be a copy of ESB, because it has a space battle in it.

One of the reasons I never liked ESB as much as the other movies as a kid, I mean sure, snowspeeders were freakin cool, but could a snowspeeder blow up the death star? assault a star destroyer? Travel in hyperspace?

Not that han running through the asteroid field wasn't satisfaction enough, It just wasn't the same on edge feeling you get from watching the trench run from a new hope... at least before you memorized all the lines.

And No, just to clarify, I don't think ESB is bad, it's a really good movie, just not my personal favorite because I prefer more top gun in my star wars movies.

And it looks way different. Is Luke going rogue possibly? why is finn still in a bacta(?) tank? Does poe's black one actually blow up? were in for a ride.

Just because a basketball and an orange share similar attributes doesn't make them the same thing.

While it's a perfectly valid the say that TLJ seem to share similar themes and story threads with ESB, it's not valid to say that this will just be another rehash, especially since there's still a lot we don't know.

Also, I feel some of us fans are concentrating too much on the rehash aspects and not enough of what's new in the ST. We already know why Lucasfilm did what they did for TFA; some didn't like the way that film played out, but no one can deny it achieved what it set out to do, that is reignite the Star Wars franchise and set it on a course to explore the universe in new and different ways.

Personally, the way they're setting up TLJ makes me think that we're gonna have to reassess our understanding of the Force and Jedi/Sith history in a big way. There's a reason why Luke is barely in any of the post-ROTJ material and also why Snoke is afraid of him. My guess is Luke learned a great deal about the history of the Jedi/Sith(maybe even Snoke's origins) throughout his journey and is convinced that there's must be a paradigm shift in the understanding of the Force in order to bring an end to the millennia of conflict. What that is we'll only find out come December.

All I saw was Red.

How much Red did Empire Strike Back had, see it's already different!

8 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

So we've all seen the trailer. What a disappointment.

Looks like TLJ:: ESB as TFA::ANH, and I found the "homage" aspect of TFA to be far too heavy-handed and stale.



But we've got:

Sandspeeders (instead of snowspeeders) racing across a sand desert (instead of an ice desert) to fight AT-ATs
Looks like we have Resistance ships possibly getting ready to run a blockade of the First Order's superior forces
Looks like Rey will be training with the exiled Yoda (I mean Luke) who is pessimistic about training her, probably
Looks very likely that Poe and Finn will get captured and tortured (Poe's Black One blowing up before he can get to it, and Finn in some torture-chair), just like Han was tortured on Cloud City, probably to draw Rey out (just like Luke)


Here's hoping it's a feign by LFL, but if Episode 8 is just ESB v2.0, I'm pretty much just sticking to the Non-Episodic Anthology Films, because TFA was junk as far as story and story-telling goes (though it looked beautiful).

Sounds like you just need to quit Star Wars then. Trailer looked awesome.

3 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

I would be willing to bet that Disney did NOT buy the IP from Lucas so they could put Thrawn in a cartoon. I bet they bought the IP because they want to make more movies, and get lots of money based off of the popularity of those movies.

No, they bought the IP to be able to get money for Star Wars products, which include several new comic book series done by Marvel, licensing EA to make more Star Wars games (including a teased project from a lady who worked on the Uncharted series), new novels, a tv show, new mainline episodes, and spinoff films. And that's not even mentioning the biggest Star Wars money maker: merchandising! They've got toys, clothes, coloring books, and Disney park rides.

Yes, they want the money from the movies, but to say they weren't also looking at all the other markets that Star Wars was in and they could also do is just ridiculous. No, they didn't buy Star Wars to put Thrawn in a cartoon. But they did recognize it was a move that would make enough fans happy that they not only okayed it, but they hired the original creator of Thrawn to come back and write a brand new book about the character. Not some cheap, up and coming writer. They got Zahn back.

If you think that Disney was only looking at the movie possibilities when buying Star Wars, you have a very limited understanding of business. And if they did use your philosophy, they would be alienating potential markets that they are currently getting revenue from.

Face it. Star Wars is more than the movies, and some of us like it that way.

29 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

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Face it. Star Wars is more than the movies, and some of us like it that way.

Agreed, and while I still keep optimism (I know unusual, right) for X-wing, I don't hold the same for the Movies. The Prequels were underwhelming and just missed the point of Star Wars, TFA was just a rehash. I liked Rogue One better than any movie to came out after RotJ but I didn't think of it anything more than $tar War$ junk food that made all the Armada/X-wing/Star Wars Rebellion scenarios seem possible (although suspension of disbelief is still needed say with Biggs vs Kylo Ren). I don't have high expectations but I bet the fan fair will be just as excited cheering for the same "garbage" that they saw years ago for nostalgia purposes only. I'll still play the games that I think are creative. Although some of the skins and bugs and microtransactions of modern games have been keeping me away (again that is the fault with the industry not the franchise). But I am not going to get all too excited over a Red $tar War$ Logo.

3 hours ago, Marinealver said:

All I saw was Red.

How much Red did Empire Strike Back had, see it's already different!

I suppose it depends on how much you look back at the movie with rose tinted glasses. In that case you have all the white clouds, snow, and the corridors of Bespin turned a lovely shade of crimson.

If Finn gets frozen in carbonite we riot.

7 hours ago, flyboymb said:

Wonder if they use that same reasoning for Vulcan?

Before Wookieepedia started quoting made up stuff, I watched TFA 3 times the first week it was out and noticed the Starkiller weapon was called a 'hyper Lightspeed weapon'. To me that meant it was something that could shoot an energy beam at much higher hyperspace velocities that we have seen before, and that the energy would be visible in all parts of the galaxy simultaneously as long as there was an unobstructed line of sight to the incident. The BS explanation about worm holes or what ever is basically the same thing but trying to sound technical. Really, a complicated explanation is not needed.

Also the Hosnian system had several habitable planets, so all those that were destroyed were in the same system. I have no idea why they were all on the same side of their primary star though. Perhaps they orbited a red dwarf and had very compact orbits on the scale of the moons of a gas giant.

1 minute ago, GrimmyV said:

Before Wookieepedia started quoting made up stuff, I watched TFA 3 times the first week it was out and noticed the Starkiller weapon was called a 'hyper Lightspeed weapon'. To me that meant it was something that could shoot an energy beam at much higher hyperspace velocities that we have seen before, and that the energy would be visible in all parts of the galaxy simultaneously as long as there was an unobstructed line of sight to the incident. The BS explanation about worm holes or what ever is basically the same thing but trying to sound technical. Really, a complicated explanation is not needed.

Also the Hosnian system had several habitable planets, so all those that were destroyed were in the same system. I have no idea why they were all on the same side of their primary star though. Perhaps they orbited a red dwarf and had very compact orbits on the scale of the moons of a gas giant.

They were planets floating around in space, and happened to be relatively close.

I am pretty sure the writers acknowledged the criticism that TFA was a bit too close to ANH. Remember they were restarting the franchise and wanted to play it safe with a bit of a soft reboot. They also promised that future episodes would be more original and lean less on previous stories.

I agree with the OP that this trailer sucked big time. I mean come on, other than some space action scenes what else did we get?

I think we need a new article to complain about, the negativity's spreading to things that have nothing to do with Mindlink.

Are you complaining because the trailer is a teaser rather than specifically telling you what the movie will be about other than a sequel to TFA ?

6 minutes ago, Hylian100 said:

I think we need a new article to complain about, the negativity's spreading to things that have nothing to do with Mindlink.

No worries, Rebels trailer that drops today will bring us some positivity, as always it will be amazing, and we will once again all forget that Rebels trailers are better than the actual episodes

16 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

I don't like Star Wars much. I'm quite good at trolling though.

Cool story bro.