Here it is on the model... Hanger bay is on the right, the window Luke looks out of at the end of Empire is on the left.

Um, you do know the first screenshot you posted, show the hanger is rather TOO small? Especially when you have the Falcon docked to it for size comparison.

6 minutes ago, Alexhurlbut said:

Um, you do know the first screenshot you posted, show the hanger is rather TOO small? Especially when you have the Falcon docked to it for size comparison.

Too small for the Falcon definitely, that's why it's docked externally. Too small for an X-Wing that is three times smaller than the width of a YT-1300 or an A-Wing which is even narrower? Not all hanger bays are going to be the size of the ones on an Mc80 or Star Destroyer.

39 minutes ago, njbulters said:

For anyone who thought these tiny ships were starhawks:

That's good news. I was really worried that these things would be Star hawks. Now I can look forward to this new smaller ship.

33 minutes ago, Alexhurlbut said:

Umbilical docking ports. Also looking at the canon entry, I am a bit sad now that it's no longer canon that Nebulon-Bs were originally Imperial designs to protect convoys against rebel raids, but many defected or were captured by rebels. Now they're rebel designs and often used to protect their OWN convoys against Imperial raids.....

Not at all suprised. It doesn't keep with the imperial triangle aesthetic that has become the new norm.

It does fit the rebel aesthetic, and every canon appearance has been in rebel fleets.

Of all the changes that have been made recently, this one bothers me least.

56 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

Not at all suprised. It doesn't keep with the imperial triangle aesthetic that has become the new norm.

It does fit the rebel aesthetic, and every canon appearance has been in rebel fleets.

Of all the changes that have been made recently, this one bothers me least.

Yeah...Well now, I want to know why Nebulon-B was built and how the Empire let KDY sell it to private security/world government customers in the new canon.

2 hours ago, njbulters said:

For anyone who thought these tiny ships were starhawks:

Well that settles it then.

1 hour ago, Alexhurlbut said:

Yeah...Well now, I want to know why Nebulon-B was built and how the Empire let KDY sell it to private security/world government customers in the new canon.

Those are good questions

17 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

Those are good questions

Palpatine owns Stock.

It was good for his Portfolio.

'Nuff said.

1 hour ago, Alexhurlbut said:

Yeah...Well now, I want to know why Nebulon-B was built and how the Empire let KDY sell it to private security/world government customers in the new canon.

Clone Wars era probably. Maybe a ship mass produced for cargo runs between worlds or for planetary/system defense fleets. There was enough of them made that continue to be used so in that sense the rebels can easily hijack them.

Not a huge spoiler but the Thrawn book alludes to some star systems having their own defense fleets. I would infer that at least in the first decade of the Empire (maybe even up to the dissolution of the Imperial Senate) there was marginal autonomy given to various worlds who were allowed a military akin to what the US currently allows Japan to have. Worlds known to be loyal and that the Empire would rather not invest huge resources into needlessly defending.

5 hours ago, HoundsTooth said:

5 hours ago, Alexhurlbut said:

5 hours ago, HoundsTooth said:

Here it is on the model... Hanger bay is on the right, the window Luke looks out of at the end of Empire is on the left.

Um, you do know the first screenshot you posted, show the hanger is rather TOO small? Especially when you have the Falcon docked to it for size comparison.

Too small for the Falcon definitely, that's why it's docked externally. Too small for an X-Wing that is three times smaller than the width of a YT-1300 or an A-Wing which is even narrower? Not all hanger bays are going to be the size of the ones on an Mc80 or Star Destroyer.

sad to say, that can't be a hanger. that wouldn't even be large enough to dock Vulture Droids or the Eta-2.

and the roundish port to the right on the model is actually the window. the squareish one on the left appears to be an airlock or other such depression on the filming model.

there is no way to fit fighter's internally into a nebulon-B. but that long spar in the middle would be a perfect place to hang TIE fighters from Gozanti/Carrack style.. on external racks.

18 minutes ago, mithril2098 said:

sad to say, that can't be a hanger. that wouldn't even be large enough to dock Vulture Droids or the Eta-2.

This hanger bay entrance on Yavin 4 base during Rogue One looks pretty small too...

... And the interior of the hanger in A New Hope shows that the Rebellion don't appear to need much space to store their fighters!

interior shot of that window:

the window is not even big enough to fit an A-wing. and look at how big it is in the outside shot, relative to the Falcon. the square hatch next to it is even smaller. you are not launching fighters out of that. spacesuited people perhaps, but not fighters.

(and i would point out that the hanger space in the pictures you posted? is nearly the size of a Nebulon-B itself, if you compare X-wings to the Falcon as your guide)

We know the Nebulon is 300 meters long. So, how long that "hangar" that has been pointed is supposed to be using that ship's length?

5 minutes ago, mithril2098 said:

interior shot of that window:

the window is not even big enough to fit an A-wing. and look at how big it is in the outside shot, relative to the Falcon. the square hatch next to it is even smaller. you are not launching fighters out of that. spacesuited people perhaps, but not fighters.

(and i would point out that the hanger space in the pictures you posted? is nearly the size of a Nebulon-B itself, if you compare X-wings to the Falcon as your guide)

The square 'hatch' is the window you're showing in the picture above. Notice how the 'hanger bay' on both the model and in the film still are recessed into the side of the ship. The window that Luke et al are looking out of in the above picture is not. The hanger bay (if it is one) is next to the window of the medical suite in to allow patients to be brought aboard and transferred in the shortest possible time.

The picture of the hanger space in A New Hope is barely wider than the X-Wing itself. X-Wings are about 11-12 meters in length. Nebulon B's are about 30 meters across. Easily enough room to store a couple of X-Wings or A-Wings. I agree, Imperial versions may have hung TIE Fighters from docking clamps or external racks as you previously suggested but that would be because TIE's in the pre-'Rebels' Canon were designed to be launched from racks whether launching from Star Destroyers, the Death Star or from ground bases.

Also, how much of the space is dedicated to medical facilities on that particular Nebulon-B? It has been referred to as the medical frigate, so a goodly amount of the space is devoted for that task.

So a Nebulon B being primarily used as a medical frigate would have the majority of it's space taken up with medical facilities. A Nebulon B refitted in a combat role would have the medical facilities stripped out and replaced with a hanger bay or fitted with more armaments. The Rebellion were using whatever they could get their hands on. I would assume no two ships in the Rebel fleet were exactly the same.

Hanger modules similar to The modules pictured here would work well:

56 minutes ago, HoundsTooth said:

The square 'hatch' is the window you're showing in the picture above. Notice how the 'hanger bay' on both the model and in the film still are recessed into the side of the ship. The window that Luke et al are looking out of in the above picture is not. The hanger bay (if it is one) is next to the window of the medical suite in to allow patients to be brought aboard and transferred in the shortest possible time.

The picture of the hanger space in A New Hope is barely wider than the X-Wing itself. X-Wings are about 11-12 meters in length. Nebulon B's are about 30 meters across. Easily enough room to store a couple of X-Wings or A-Wings. I agree, Imperial versions may have hung TIE Fighters from docking clamps or external racks as you previously suggested but that would be because TIE's in the pre-'Rebels' Canon were designed to be launched from racks whether launching from Star Destroyers, the Death Star or from ground bases.

except that it is clearly not. the rounded recessed bit is the window. the hatch is to the left of the window, and clearly smaller.

and i think you drastically misunderstand the scale of the nebulon-B. this is based on the scale seen in the films. (note that the Legends stats are drastically out of scale thanks to RPG and videogame stuff making it drastically oversized, a flaw common with the legends depictions of the ships)

could you fit a fighter inside the hull? maybe volume wise. but there are no hatches that would let them in.. and you sure as hell couldn't fit more than a couple. certainly not the two squadrons legends claimed.

6 minutes ago, mithril2098 said:

except that it is clearly not. the rounded recessed bit is the window. the hatch is to the left of the window, and clearly smaller.

and i think you drastically misunderstand the scale of the nebulon-B. this is based on the scale seen in the films. (note that the Legends stats are drastically out of scale thanks to RPG and videogame stuff making it drastically oversized, a flaw common with the legends depictions of the ships)

could you fit a fighter inside the hull? maybe volume wise. but there are no hatches that would let them in.. and you sure as hell couldn't fit more than a couple. certainly not the two squadrons legends claimed.

I think I am coming around to your point that what I thought could be a hanger may in fact be the window. The two photo's in your first diagram seem to match up pretty well. I think the lack of any sign of shadow created by the recession may just have been an oversight on the part of the special effects guys. I agree with your point regarding the measurements from the Legends EU. There was never any consistency in that regard...

Why are you guys arguing which window is which? Its clearly shown in the movie where the hanger bay window is. Skip to 2:20.

Forresto be all like...

Where were you eight hours ago dude?! Apologies to mithril and Alexhurlbut for wasting their time... I'm off now to put away my Nebulon B's in shame and concentrate on building a Corvette list!

Edit - Just for the record this is the second time I've been proved wrong tonight. I re-watched Rogue One earlier for the first time since seeing it on release at the cinema. Hated it on the big screen, loved it on the small screen! Who says guys get more stubborn and belligerent as they get older?

4 minutes ago, HoundsTooth said:

Forresto be all like...

Where were you eight hours ago dude?! Apologies to mithril and Alexhurlbut for wasting their time... I'm off now to put away my Nebulon B's in shame and concentrate on building a Corvette list!

Edit - Just for the record this is the second time I've been proved wrong tonight. I re-watched Rogue One earlier for the first time since seeing it on release at the cinema. Hated it on the big screen, loved it on the small screen! Who says guys get more stubborn and belligerent as they get older?

Hahah no worries. Oh believe me today I found out I was wrong about a major plot point in an episode of Rebels that I often used to criticize the show. I was so embarrassed when I rewatched that moment and found out how wrong I was. What I learnt was when in doubt always, ALWAYS, go back to the primary source just in case. If it makes you feel better I was actually on your side until I looked up the video, you made some solid points.

2 hours ago, HoundsTooth said:

I think I am coming around to your point that what I thought could be a hanger may in fact be the window. The two photo's in your first diagram seem to match up pretty well. I think the lack of any sign of shadow created by the recession may just have been an oversight on the part of the special effects guys. I agree with your point regarding the measurements from the Legends EU. There was never any consistency in that regard...

my Favorite "wait that can't be right" moment was the CR90 corvette "Night Caller" (later named the Ession Strike)

a CR90 that somehow crammed 4 TIE fighters into the hammer head bow (while preserving the bridge and everything).. when even by legends dimensions those 4 TIE's are actually bigger than the entire hammerhead. it got worse later when they crammed 12 X-wings in somehow.. not to mention docked TIE's to the escape pod mounts with no modifications what so ever (when the TIE panels should have prevented the ball cockpit from reaching the docking port.. and that is ignoring the "would you even be able to dock" issue..)

as much as i like Aaron Allston's writing in the Xwing series, he really had issues with scale. to fit everything that CR90 was supposed to have, it would have to be 400 meters long instead of 150.

i much prefer how SW:Rebels handled the "CR90 carrying fighters" issue. clamps at the docking ports letting you carry a limited number of fighters. (and to be honest, if using a purpose built variant, docking tubes like the Gozanti has replacing some of the escape pods wouldn't be much of a stretch. would let you carry 4 underneath, and then 2 on the regular docking ports . honestly i rather like how Rebels has used external racks.. the Gozanti has 4 on the underside, the Aquitens can carry 2-3 between those prongs, the CR90 can carry 2 (or 3 with one of the ships, which seems to have a clamp on the underside as well), and we see the Ghost docking Y-wings, suggesting any light freighter above a certain size could act as a mothership in a pinch.

7 hours ago, mithril2098 said:

i much prefer how SW:Rebels handled the "CR90 carrying fighters" issue. clamps at the docking ports letting you carry a limited number of fighters. (and to be honest, if using a purpose built variant, docking tubes like the Gozanti has replacing some of the escape pods wouldn't be much of a stretch. would let you carry 4 underneath, and then 2 on the regular docking ports . honestly i rather like how Rebels has used external racks.. the Gozanti has 4 on the underside, the Aquitens can carry 2-3 between those prongs, the CR90 can carry 2 (or 3 with one of the ships, which seems to have a clamp on the underside as well), and we see the Ghost docking Y-wings, suggesting any light freighter above a certain size could act as a mothership in a pinch.

I agree with you unreservedly on that point mithril! I thought that was an ingenious approach to how a smaller Rebel fleet could carry fighters into battle.