Because those frigate things look like half a Nebulon-B, i name these...

a Nebulon D (a B cut in half :D)

13 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:

and no organization in place with either the capability or the mandate to stop them should they abuse those powers.

This....

Can't have a war without organization... sure there would be a select few that would learn some skills but without training,political connections, or religious views.... they'd be alone, unorganized and would have very little effect on the universe as a whole...

Had the Jedi never formed a religion, the darkisde users would never had been banished, the Jedi'd have never been drafted as protectors of the republic, therefore the challenge of fighting and destroying the Jedi would never involve intergalactic politics... therfore... no galactic civil war over which side is better... I'm sure they'd find new stuff to fight over, but 40,000 years worth? nah

Had the force remained undiscovered, or at least not zealotized into a religion, force sensitives would be no more threatening than anyone else with a sharp stick in the galaxy.

I am starting to think that a sliding scale exist on screen in the Star War movies. Remember how the MC-75 in Rogue One seemed smaller due to fighters flew past it. New resistance ship could be a medium based Front arc oriented Assault Frigate. Also space battle shots are making me at least want to try out Neb gun line build.

It looks like it has windows on the front... similar to the Falcon. Could these be Corellian ships?

Also, I know we're supposed to only care about the ships in the sky, but I'm properly excited for that land battle. First Order walkers against those weird new speeders.

56 minutes ago, KnightHammer said:

The FFG panel is later on so it will be interesting to see if they show them as a December wave ship (probably not lol)

When is th FFG panel and will it be streamed?

1 minute ago, Darth Sanguis said:

This....

Can't have a war without organization... sure there would be a select few that would learn some skills but without training,political connections, or religious views.... they'd be alone, unorganized and would have very little effect on the universe as a whole...

Had the Jedi never formed a religion, the darkisde users would never had been banished, the Jedi'd have never been drafted as protectors of the republic, therefore the challenge of fighting and destroying the Jedi would never involve intergalactic politics... therfore... no galactic civil war over which side is better... I'm sure they'd find new stuff to fight over, but 200,000 years worth? nah

Had the force remained undiscovered, or at least not zealotized into a religion, force sensitives would be no more threatening than anyone else with a sharp stick in the galaxy.

And thus we come to the crux of our disagreement, one I expect we will have to agree to disagree. If I may cross the streams, power does invite challenge, but I really don't believe the lack of a Jedi Order would have seriously delayed or affected the course of galactic history at a large scale. Certainly the Jedi-Sith Wars would not have happened in the fashion they did, but I really can't believe that there wouldn't be new organizations in their place. Perhaps it's my training, but just because one person does not act on an idea has got zero to do with whether or not eventually someone else has that idea and does something themselves. Rey may be a bit of a Mary Sue (not a discussion I'm interested in having), but she is a perfect example of why I think the galaxy needs the Jedi. Without any training, she mastered mind control enough to handle a stormtrooper (and mind you, these are supposed to be a new, thinking sort), and was a capable enough duelist with zero training to fend off an experienced one trained by one the galaxy's best. She's the extreme end of the power curve, but she demonstrates that there will be persons with that capability, but I have a hard time believing that they will be all that guileless and lacking malice or ambition. The Clone Wars may not have been the engineered conflict they were, but I've always interpreted it as a conflict long coming that Palpatine kicked off on his own timetable to his own ends. Whether the Republic would have been in that state without the Jedi, whether he would have been there, etc., is, IMO, rather academic. Wars are going to happen (Star WARS, also see history). If there are being as powerful as Force users around, they will be enlisted in the conflict by both sides. Eventually someone will be able to harness their powers, and start trying to teach others. It's how social systems work. Throughout the EU, and even TCW, we are exposed to the idea that, to quote Grand Master Skywalker, the Force is a river the training of the Jedi cannot exclusively access. With the Jedi there's a system that can try to corral those persons and preserve galactic peace from those threats. Is the Order the perfect organization? Of course not. By their end, they were arrogant and self-righeous. But they kept the peace for a thousand years, not just the peace between light and dark, but the peace of the galaxy at large. I'm happy to leave this discussion here, as we both have well thought-out positions, but this is my view.

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

STRANGE DESIGN. Let the speculation BEGIN!

Flotillas for rebels with front attack. They look cool.

3 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

It looks like it has windows on the front... similar to the Falcon. Could these be Corellian ships?

Also, looking closely, it appears there is another engine up near the "cockpit". Could have one engine at the stern, and 2 amidship.

52 minutes ago, Lord Tareq said:

Since the Republic's main fleet has been vaporized by deathstar #3, its likely the republic is using smaller ships as line ships to make do. Doubt these are main battleships, they look more like frigates.

Not even that. Look at the front one. If that scale is relatively close, I think we're looking at something not much bigger than the Millennium Falcon. Maybe a combat flotilla or corvette class. In fact, if you put these toe to toe with a Raider I'm guessing they'd be pretty equal in size.

3 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:

but I really don't believe the lack of a Jedi Order would have seriously delayed or affected the course of galactic history at a large scale.

see:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_Legends_media

and

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Republic/Legends

9 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:

any training, she mastered mind control enough to handle a stormtrooper (and mind you, these are supposed to be a new, thinking sort), and was a capable enough duelist with zero training to fend off an experienced one trained by one the galaxy's best.

If she had never heard of the legends of the Jedi mind trick... would she have even known to try? and she had lots of training, trqaining through experience, she lived alone on a lawless scavenger planet the majority of her life, she learned to fight with a staff... those skills do in-fact carry over.

13 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:

If there are being as powerful as Force users around, they will be enlisted in the conflict by both sides. Eventually someone will be able to harness their powers, and start trying to teach others. It's how social systems work.

Force users are scarce, the galactic republic had to actively seek them out to recruit Jedi, and they could only muster a handful...

Force users are not invincible, the clone wars taught us that skill can over power force connections.... I believe without the religion/training/political connections of the Jedi order, even the best force users would be nothing more than a slightly more skilled combatant.

Even if training did start to arise, they would become an organization, that organization would incite just as much conflict, and whatever that organization was would be to blame for the 5000+ years of war they caused by organizing.


Yeah... we're gonna have to agree to disagree...

The Jedi are at fault for the galaxy's greatest travesties simply by existing

Just now, Darth Sanguis said:

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They're certainly responsible for large parts of the mayhem. They deserve a lot of the flak and blame that come their way, and I'll even loudly echo a lot of that. (*clears throat COMPLACENT [redacted] WHO COULDN'T [redacted] MANAGE A [redacted] WAR TO SAVE THEIR [redacted] LIVES! *ahem). And you're completely right, there's absolutely no way to disentangle the effect the Jedi have had on galactic history, you'd have to start over c. 25000 years before the movies when their predecessors were founded, and at that point, it's not Star Wars, it's just the window dressings. I think we have different perceptions of their capabilities (though I share your assessment of vulnerability), and we just have to act like adults, and agree to disagree as we geek out about a new film.

Thank you for the civil discussion. It was not what I expected at all from the depths of the internet.

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

STRANGE DESIGN. Let the speculation BEGIN!

32 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

It looks like it has windows on the front... similar to the Falcon. Could these be Corellian ships?

YT Nebulon B!

those resistosticks look no more than 50-80m long: i hope we see mo' bigga ships too

*Disgusting slobbering.

This is why I play Armada. Ships, pew pew.

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

STRANGE DESIGN. Let the speculation BEGIN!

In relation to the size of these ships... If you pause the video a couple of seconds after this shot you can see them from behind and they appear to have B-52'esque Gun Turrets on the bottom rear of the 'hatchet' parts (apologies, I don't have the technological 'chops' to do a screen grab!). My first thought was updated 'Nebs' , now I'm thinking they're more freighter sized ships

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

STRANGE DESIGN. Let the speculation BEGIN!

Huge B-Wings

8U as AA, 4B as AS. Heavy and bomber

18 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:

I think we have different perceptions of their capabilities (though I share your assessment of vulnerability), and we just have to act like adults, and agree to disagree as we geek out about a new film.

Thank you for the civil discussion. It was not what I expected at all from the depths of the internet.

Most likely from the years of killing Jedi as an Imperial agent on SWTOR lol They're just glow stick swirling snobs ;D

It's all good, I love discussing the old EU timelines and their effects on the movies. Tales of the Jedi shaped my opinion of the Jedi.

10 minutes ago, HoundsTooth said:

In relation to the size of these ships... If you pause the video a couple of seconds after this shot you can see them from behind and they appear to have B-52'esque Gun Turrets on the bottom rear of the 'hatchet' parts (apologies, I don't have the technological 'chops' to do a screen grab!). My first thought was updated 'Nebs' , now I'm thinking they're more freighter sized ships

Not sure I'd say "freighter sized" - but certainly Corvette-ish. A touch bigger than the Ghost - we are in roughly Gozanti-territory, here.

But it's nice, in that it makes it pretty obvious they can make it into both X-Wing *and* Armada.

Looks pretty amazing.

And the whole Jedi thing...they always went on about balance, and yet they tried to wipe out all traces of the darkside, without the darkside there is no balance, and before Palpatine started up there was no balance.
So luke is quite right to say for there to be balance, you must have both, and both must be in harmony.

Looks to be an A-Wing esque fighter in that mix too. I dig the whole thing.

On 4/14/2017 at 1:57 PM, Darth Sanguis said:

Most likely from the years of killing Jedi as an Imperial agent on SWTOR lol They're just glow stick swirling snobs ;D

It's all good, I love discussing the old EU timelines and their effects on the movies. Tales of the Jedi shaped my opinion of the Jedi.

Mine was probably most affected by the Republic Commando novels, and the NJO. Also original Thrawn trilogy and the Black Fleet Crisis, and the Clone Wars a whole and KotOR, ANYWAY...

I still think those are big enough they'll be individual ships (Hammerhead/Raider/CR90), not flotillas, but these aren't great shots to tell on.

1 hour ago, Swusn said:

When is th FFG panel and will it be streamed?

6pm US time (whichever timezone that will be at) and not a clue, was then about to look

37 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Huge B-Wings

8U as AA, 4B as AS. Heavy and bomber

I could definitely see these being Heavy Bombers.

The Star Wars equivalent of the B-29 or B-52. 30-50 meter range.

It would explain that big chin being a bomb or missile launcher.

12 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

I could definitely see these being Heavy Bombers.

The Star Wars equivalent of the B-29 or B-52. 30-50 meter range.

It would explain that big chin being a bomb or missile launcher.

Well, if they're like heavy bombers, that would explain why some of them are marked blue and the rest marked red like squadron color.