21 minutes ago, ImperialCaptain2017 said:

On 4/14/2017 at 9:20 AM, kitandthevoices said:

I'm not sure what these are yet... but I already want one.

It's a Resistance A-wing.

10 hours ago, eMeM said:

Come on, "it's time for the Jedi to end" is what bitter old master Luke says at the beginning of the movie, and his new young apprentice, Rey, is going to convince him the cause is worth fighting for and he will change his mind by the end of the movie. It's a classic trope.

Thats the easy explanation, when Trailers under Disney have been purposefully misleading in the past to avoid spoilage. So this may or may not be the case, but not obvious to tell.

9 hours ago, eMeM said:

Come on, "it's time for the Jedi to end" is what bitter old master Luke says at the beginning of the movie, and his new young apprentice, Rey, is going to convince him the cause is worth fighting for and he will change his mind by the end of the movie. It's a classic trope.

I'm willing to bet against that and say that's not how its gonna play out. Thats an assumption based on nothing more than your cynisism caused by the disspointment of TFA, not on factual clues present throughout the current canon source.

1 hour ago, AwesomeJedi said:

It's a Resistance A-wing.

Not the A-wing, the ship behind it. Although more A-wings might not be a bad thing.

It's a flag corvette, a real hatchet job. Because Ralph McQuarrie isn't around anymore.

On 4/14/2017 at 7:27 PM, Captain Lackwit said:

A Star Wars fan that doesn't understand Jedi being able to be both singular and plural is a poor excuse of a fan.

Rian said flat out that Luke is THE Last Jedi. There is no plural, or mix, or swapping for Kylo. Luke is the last Jedi, and it sounds like he wants to keep it that way.

17 minutes ago, benbaxter said:

Rian said flat out that Luke is THE Last Jedi. There is no plural, or mix, or swapping for Kylo. Luke is the last Jedi, and it sounds like he wants to keep it that way.

Except that all localizations use the plural, which is 100% intentional when you have something as big as Star Wars.

Wait,

Other countries use a different pluralization scheme for the made up word 'Jedi'?

14 minutes ago, benbaxter said:

Wait,

Other countries use a different pluralization scheme for the made up word 'Jedi'?

Not for Jedi per se, but in German for example it´s " Die letzten Jedi". In this context "die" is plural.

2 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Except that all localizations use the plural, which is 100% intentional when you have something as big as Star Wars.

Wh en on one hand I have the director and the screenwriter of the movie, the person who came up with the title, telling me flat out that "Jedi" is singular, and more precisely, that it means Luke Skywalker, and on the other hand a translation team, I know who I'm going to believe.

10 minutes ago, eMeM said:

Wh en on one hand I have the director and the screenwriter of the movie, the person who came up with the title, telling me flat out that "Jedi" is singular, and more precisely, that it means Luke Skywalker, and on the other hand a translation team, I know who I'm going to believe.

They did that? Wow, in that case some people should be losing their jobs. Because literaly all translations where plural vs. singular matters use the plural form. Maybe the director just tries to save his twist for the English audience by lying?

Now that was Kylo Ren's helmet all smashed up right? Am I just seeing things?

17 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

Now that was Kylo Ren's helmet all smashed up right? Am I just seeing things?

I think so. The only other thing I could think of is Vader's melted mask.

3 hours ago, benbaxter said:

Wait,

Other countries use a different pluralization scheme for the made up word 'Jedi'?

In some languages it's necessary. Rules are rules!

For example Jedi in Polish... doesn't obey standard declension rules because of the difference in spelling, so it's a bad example, unless you count forms that are incorrect but sometimes used in conversations (like Dżedajowie)...

But Sith does, so there is singular and plural, masculine, feminine and maybe neuter if you get really creative, and of course each gender and number combination can be declined by each of the seven cases.

Skimming the list of international titles for Revenge of the Sith reveals that many other languages also have their domestic plural for Sith.

43 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

Now that was Kylo Ren's helmet all smashed up right? Am I just seeing things?

Yes. You can see the distinct silver lines that make up the area around the eye holes. Definitely kylos helmet.

On 4/14/2017 at 6:55 PM, mithril2098 said:

The clone wars showcases the yin/yang aspect fairly majorly in the two main places it got philosophical. In the Mortis Arc, Annakin as the chosen one was supposed to replace 'the father' as the balancing factor, keeping both 'the son' (the avatar of the dark side), and the 'the daughter' (the avatar of the light side') in check because (as we found out later after the daughter died) which ever gained the upper hand would effect the force across the whole galaxy. Controlling both light and dark was the emphasis, not destroying one or the other (as the Jedi and Sith were both trying to do)

Later in the Yoda arc at the very end, we got a more direct explanation. To connect to the cosmic force (and remain after death), you had to not only be strong in the force, but also face your own inner dark side. Not to fight it or destroy it.. But to come to terms with of and accept it as part of yourself. We get told by the spirit things that teach Yoda that the ancient Jedi once understood all that, and followed those beliefs (with the unstated implication being that the switch to focus entirely on the light side has twisted their beliefs into self destructive forms. the Jedi Order's failure to recognize, accept, and move past the dark side within themselves leading to the arrogance and corruption they had leading up to the clone wars, and the problems they were having during it.)

Which episodes are the Yoda arc? Can you PM me?

On 4/14/2017 at 9:15 PM, Force Majeure said:

Ugh. I really don't like when people claim that TFA is a frame-by-frame/scene-by-scene/shot-by-shot retread of ANH. [...] There had to be enough familiar ingredients to the recipe, that it wouldn't be outright rejected by the masses. Billions of dollars and the hearts and minds of nerds (myself included) everywhere were at stake.

Like I said, the film had to have some elements from the Original Trilogy or there would not be a new era of Star Wars right now.

Don't dismiss TFA so casually. It's an awesome addition to the SW family that brought a lot of new things of it's own even if in part they are influenced by things that have come in films past. We ourselves are "retreads" of our parents, yet we have things within ourselves that are unique.

Though some people do whine, others have thoughtful opinions, while yet others used crossed out lines to show sarcasm.

I don't dismiss TFA casually. I rather liked it. Not my favorite nor did I think it was terribly original. But responding to your "had to have some elements" I think it is a little more than that. Here is something that I found on this forum. I've added quite a bit and some may find interesting:

Star Wars and The Force Awakens

It starts off with Princess Leia (now played by Poe) on a mission to get secret information to the Rebellion (now the Resistance) when she/he is attacked by Darth Vader (now Kylo Ren) and she/he has to put said information into R2-D2 (now BB8) and tells him to go, before Leia/Poe is captured. R2-D2/BB-8 then travels across the desert of Tattoine (now Jakku) until he meets Luke Skywalker (now Rey).

Meanwhile Leia/Poe is rescued by Han Solo (now Finn) and they escape. The story is slightly out of order and a slight detour with Poe and Finn crash landing back on Jakku where they are separated. But soon it's back on track as Luke/Rey and Han/Finn get together to escape the desert planet in the Millennium Falcon. Then they meet up with old Ben Kenobi aka a cool mentor who teaches them about the Force (now Han Solo) and takes the information to the Rebellion/Resistance. But first they are confronted by Greedo (now two sets of smugglers). Then after a daring escape they travel to the Cantina (now the planet Takodana) to seek advice/help from Han Solo (now Maz Kanata the one with the big glasses).

Finally they get the information to the Rebellion/Resistance and make a plan to attack the Empire (now The First Order) after the Empire/First Order uses their super weapon called the Death Star (now Starkiller Base) the Rebels/Resistance send a team (Kenobi/Solo) to knock out the shield generator/tractor beam (Star Wars A New Hope and Return of the Jedi). When they get there Kenobi/Luke/Solo confronts Vader/Ren on a bridge over an abyss (Star Wars A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back) and is struck down. This gives Luke/Rey a reason to fight Vader/Ren. Which they do and at some point Luke/Rey uses the force to retrieve the Light Saber from the snow (The Empire Strikes Back). Meanwhile Wedge Antilles (now also Poe) leads an assault with T65 X-Wings (now T70) to blow up the Death Star/Starkiller Base. They even have to navigate a trench (Star Wars A New Hope) and fly into the core (Return of the Jedi). As the clock on the Death Star/Star Killer counts down to blowing up yet another world the Rebels/ Resistance win the day. Luke/Rey goes off to be trained by an old hermit Jedi Master named Yoda (now Luke Skywalker).

Other than that there are very few similarities.

The point is that even if was was and admitted rewrite and remake. To some who've never see the original Star Wars movie TFA was very grandiose with larger that life characters. Some was a little thin or had abilities beyond what some consider reasonable plus the spoiled brat didn't help. But it was still a movie and could stand alone. With the Original Trilogy we were learning about the Star Wars universe and its magic. We didn't know about the Force and telekinetic, Jedi mind tricks or even Force lighting until it was in those movies the first time. The magic of the newly discovered is gone, but with CGI, a decent plot, grand music and reasonable acting you may still have a good movie. Even if it was a rewrite or remake, or not.

I would've thought that grammatically speaking the film should be "The last of the Jedi"

On 15-4-2017 at 3:15 AM, Force Majeure said:

Don't dismiss TFA so casually. It's an awesome addition to the SW family that brought a lot of new things of it's own even if in part they are influenced by things that have come in films past. We ourselves are "retreads" of our parents, yet we have things within ourselves that are unique.

This is basically my take on TFA. The theme of the film, as I see it, is that of the search for identity that every young person has to do. And the obvious starting point is the parents' identity, but for all three main characters - Finn, Rey and Ben - this option is not open. So they try different identities, symbolized by the masks they wear. Note that each of these characters is introduced with a mask on. Rey and Finn try on others, and Finn becomes uneasy when someone looks deeply into his eyes. They want to be someone else, they don't like their own faces. Kylo Ren even worships a mask.

This search for identity is also reflected on a more abstract cinematic level. The whole film seems like a child trying to distinguish itself from its parents. But how is that possible, when the core of its identity is given by those parents? Like family traits, the similarities with the previous films shine through.

The parent/child motif is very much Star Wars. It is telling that viewers start to make lists of what they recognize from previous films and what is new, just like when you see a child grow up and you know the parents well. It's an example of how a film, that gives the appearance of being a simple blockbuster popcorn flick, actually manipulates its audience like a powerful piece of art.

9 hours ago, Ken at Sunrise said:

Which episodes are the Yoda arc? Can you PM me?

they are literally the last 3 episodes of season 6 of clone wars,. sadly the full episodes are a netflix exclusive. and the last episodes of The Clone Wars show period.

links to the episode descriptions on wookieepedia

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Voices
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Destiny_(episode)
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sacrifice

it helps explain Yoda's comments to obiwan about the return of an old friend, and new training, at the end of RotS. it also explains a lot about the nature of the force, both lightside and dark side.

On 4/17/2017 at 11:29 AM, Admiral Deathrain said:

Except that all localizations use the plural, which is 100% intentional when you have something as big as Star Wars.

Im fairly certain the director's word on this has a little more weight to it then a translator for the marketing team. Unless he's playing a JJ Abrams "Khan is totally not in the movie, nope whoops I lied he totally is".

6 hours ago, Forresto said:

Im fairly certain the director's word on this has a little more weight to it then a translator for the marketing team. Unless he's playing a JJ Abrams "Khan is totally not in the movie, nope whoops I lied he totally is".

I did not follow the event beyond the trailer. Hower JJ is involved, do you really think some pre-movie confusion tactics to be unlikely? Wouldn't be the first time translation gives away more than it should.

Either the title is referring to Luke, Rey or Luke and Rey. So even with a variance of +/-1, the Jedi are once again on the brink of extinction. I don't think that Jedi being singular or plural in the title gives away much extra information.

For me the more important question is what happens to the Jedi. Is Luke's comment about ending the Jedi just a grump before he relents and agrees to train Rey? Or has he realised something deeper about the nature of the Force and decided that the Jedi are part of the problem rather than the solution and that a new approach is needed?