Hello forum,
what happens when I deal the Loose Stabilizer Crit twice? Will the suffering ship got 2 stress for every white move?
Loose Stabilizer Crit twice
I say yes.
Based on the new FAQ and the wording of the Rage EPT. When a ship would receive 2 stress tokens it is treated as receiving one, then a second one. So with your example there are technically two sources of the stress (both crits individually) one white = two stress.
I agree. Since there are two instances of the card both will trigger.
Yes. If you have multiples of upgrades or damage cards, that trigger off of an event, both will trigger.
1 hour ago, Rolotamasi said:I say yes.
Based on the new FAQ and the wording of the Rage EPT. When a ship would receive 2 stress tokens it is treated as receiving one, then a second one. So with your example there are technically two sources of the stress (both crits individually) one white = two stress.
This is the right answer based on the wrong precedent. Rage is one upgrade that hands out two stress. Loose Stabilizer is one Damage Card that applies one stress. This is the applicable FAQ entry:
"Q: If a ship has more than one copy of the same card that does not require an action to trigger its ability, can it trigger all of those card abilities?
A: Yes, For Example: when a ship equipped with two Mercenary Copilots is attacking, it can change two [hit] results to two [crit] results." - FAQ, p22
Notice the FAQ does not specify Upgrade or Damage cards in the question. It applies to any type of card assigned to a ship. Loose Stabilizer's ability is mandatory, so the controlling player must trigger both copies. Now a different rule applies: when multiple card abilities trigger at the same time, the controller player chooses the order to resolve them. The player must choose one copy of Loose Stabilzer, resolve it, then resolve the remaining copy of Loose Stabilizer. The ship does receive two stress tokens, one at a time, from separate cards resolved one at a time.
You do the White maneuver you trigger both cards and gain Stress from each.
If you go to clear them Each of them requires an Action to flip. Despite being two different cards I do NOT believe you could flip both of them the same round as you would be doing the same Action twice; it would be like performing a Barrel Roll off the Action bar and trying to perform one from some other upgrade in that it doesn't work.
10 minutes ago, StevenO said:You do the White maneuver you trigger both cards and gain Stress from each.
If you go to clear them Each of them requires an Action to flip. Despite being two different cards I do NOT believe you could flip both of them the same round as you would be doing the same Action twice; it would be like performing a Barrel Roll off the Action bar and trying to perform one from some other upgrade in that it doesn't work.
Correct. Cannot perform the same Action twice in a round.
12 hours ago, jmswood said:Correct. Cannot perform the same Action twice in a round.
A little off the original post but if you have two different crits that require an action to clear and you have PTL, could you trigger PTL after clearing the first crit to clear the second crit and get a stress?
Obviously you have to be stress free to perform an action to clear the first crit.
5 minutes ago, Stoneface said:A little off the original post but if you have two different crits that require an action to clear and you have PTL, could you trigger PTL after clearing the first crit to clear the second crit and get a stress?
Obviously you have to be stress free to perform an action to clear the first crit.
That doesn't work. While you could use the Action spent clearing a Damage card to trigger PtL the free Action PtL gives you MUST come from your Action Bar. Experimental Interface works similarly except the Action must come from one of your UPGRADE cards and Damage cards are not upgrade.
If you have two completely different face-up damage cards that can be "cleared" with Action you could do them both provided you actually get two Actions that could act with a damage card.
31 minutes ago, StevenO said:That doesn't work. While you could use the Action spent clearing a Damage card to trigger PtL the free Action PtL gives you MUST come from your Action Bar. Experimental Interface works similarly except the Action must come from one of your UPGRADE cards and Damage cards are not upgrade.
If you have two completely different face-up damage cards that can be "cleared" with Action you could do them both provided you actually get two Actions that could act with a damage card.
Thanks for the quick response. I didn't have access to the cards when I wrote the question and forgot about the restriction on PTL.
Vader is the only pilot that comes to mind with double actions.
Vader may have double Actions although if he's picked up two face-up crits he's already in BIG trouble even if he could turn them face-down with Actions. I think some of those Rebels like passing out unrestricted Free Actions are more likely to get to turn down two damage cards.
I still play Vader because I love his action economy but the rule book clearly states that the same action cannot be used twice. Vader can't double barrel roll or double evade therefore wouldn't that count towards 2 Crit Flip actions being the same ruling?
(Recently Vader's made it in my list again toting Swarm Tactics for an aggressive DeltaSquadronPilot (TIE/D) using Tractor Beam to shoot first. Fun times!)
8 minutes ago, SMan774 said:I still play Vader because I love his action economy but the rule book clearly states that the same action cannot be used twice. Vader can't double barrel roll or double evade therefore wouldn't that count towards 2 Crit Flip actions being the same ruling?
If the crits had the same name it would. Otherwise it would be like Vader taking a Focus Action and Barrel Roll Action which both happen to be "Action Bar Actions" in the same way you have "Damage Card Actions" and such. It doesn't matter where the action is from, only that you don't repeat those with the same name.
Do we know that actions on cards take the name of the card they're on, for the purposes of the "no double action" rule? How does that square with where we landed with Gonk?
4 hours ago, digitalbusker said:Do we know that actions on cards take the name of the card they're on, for the purposes of the "no double action" rule? How does that square with where we landed with Gonk?
I imagine you it works like this: you can 'GONK: Do thing 1' and 'GONK: Do thing 2' because the 2 'things' are different. In the case of double Loose Stabalizer (or what have you), as long as the two 'things' are the same, you cannot do the same 'thing' twice.