Technological progression over time in Star Wars is a funny thing. Its often viewed that the galaxy is caught in a technological plateau with minimal developments occurring. While the tactics were very different the technology employed in the Clone Wars is not to drastically different then what was later used in the Galactic Civil War. Of course technology improved but nominally. This is why seeing ships like the Pelta and the Arquitens and Gozanti fight alongside Nebulon B's and ISD's isnt such a big deal.

However in the thirty years between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens its very clear technology has advanced significantly. This makes a ton of sense. The Empire turned First Order has spent thirty years in hiding, licking its wounds, revitalizing its fleet and improving upon the bones of the Empire. Their standard Destroyer is twice as long as an ISD and boasts a larger crew and armament. The turbo lasers employed are considered far superior to the Imperial era's in terms of power and recharge rate. Even the New Republic is building ships such as the Starhawk (yes I know that its a rebellion ship but I imagine thirty years later they're even better) that are more powerful then an ISD.

This upcoming war between the Resistance/New Republic and the First Order is a separate and very different conflict then that of the OT even if there are visual similarities.

Star Wars Armada is in a tricky spot when it comes to material from the sequel trilogy. This game is set in the Galactic Civil War and theme is a very important aspect this. Nothing beats moving a model Star Destroyer and rolling eight dice against a CR-90 corvette or sending swarms of ties and x-wings surge into each other in massive dogfights. The force awakens didnt add a lot of new ships to the universe but I imagine the next two films will. So the question stands what does Armada do once they come to the point they'll want to produce ST era material?

I don't think Armada can get away with how X-Wing solved this quandary by merely merging them into the Empire and Rebellion. The moment that happens the galactic civil war OT theme is kinda shattered and the game becomes a weird amalgamation of all star wars canon. For instance imagine if this game were centered around the Clone Wars, wouldn't it be strange if the Republic was given Tie Fighters and Star Destroyers and the Separatists employed task forces of MC-80s and Assault Frigates. There needs to be some division. This is where I think the New Republic/Resistance and First Order will become the third and fourth factions of the game.

I think that if the New Republic/Resistance and First Order became factions they should be able to retroactively use any ship currently in the game. Meaning I think Armada should do the opposite of X-Wing and rather then try to fit the ST ships into the OT factions, just allow the ST factions to use any of the OT ships. It would be cool to get a CC style box that gave new titles and maybe even ship cards for ST era versions of OT ships.

As another note I think besides theme and feel ST era ships are so powerful compared to their OT cousins that to properly represent that in the game, it would unbalance the meta to simply squeeze them in right now into the current factions.

So you're basically suggesting the game gets split into two versions? Like you'd have OT and ST events?

If they wanted to do something like this, I'd think you'd have First Order/Resistance fleets as "sub-factions" that would share access to several ships with their predecssors but also have some options that are only for them. The problem with that kind of approach is balancing the options available to sub-factions so they don't eclipse their base factions or conversely are so bad that they're rarely seen.

If the game were to get new separate factions introduced, I demand my Republic and Separatist factions. If New Republic and First Order were to become a separate faction thing, I would want FFG to go all the way to cover all movie eras.

1 hour ago, Forresto said:

I don't think Armada can get away with how X-Wing solved this quandary by merely merging them into the Empire and Rebellion. The moment that happens the galactic civil war OT theme is kinda shattered and the game becomes a weird amalgamation of all star wars canon.

Why do you think this wouldn't work in Armada? It's exactly what happened with X-Wing. You can fly an ARC-170 piloted by Shara Bey flying alongside a T-70 piloted by her son Poe Dameron while Biggs Darklighter brings up the rear. FFG is happy to throw pilots from all era's into the X-Wing mix and players still rush out and buy them by the tonne! Whether I agree/like it or not I think it's only a matter of time until they introduce First Order/New Republic ships into Armada and they'll do it in the same way they did in X-Wing, that is as part of the Imperial/Rebel factions. The reasons? Because it's easier and more people will but the ships if they're playable in existing factions. In terms of Clone Wars era ships, I think they'll just drop them into either existing faction (like the Pelta... And hopefully the Venator!).

I think they'll do the exact same thing that x wing did when it comes to new trilogy and original trilogy factions

1 hour ago, Forresto said:

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I think that if the New Republic/Resistance and First Order became factions they should be able to retroactively use any ship currently in the game. Meaning I think Armada should do the opposite of X-Wing and rather then try to fit the ST ships into the OT factions, just allow the ST factions to use any of the OT ships. It would be cool to get a CC style box that gave new titles and maybe even ship cards for ST era versions of OT ships.

This proposal, which you endorse, is effectively identical to what you vilify and claim not to want in the game on every aspect except the fluffiest of fluff.

4 minutes ago, Darthain said:

This proposal, which you endorse, is effectively identical to what you vilify and claim not to want in the game on every aspect except the fluffiest of fluff.

I think it could be tempered such as as the ST factions having access only a few of the OT ships, and none of the clone wars era ships.

My proposal is not similar at all unless ive misconstrued how it works in X Wing. What im saying if your running an Imperialfleet you dont hve access to First Order materials and vice versa for the rebels.

Regardless of how im putting it, there should be a gate between the two eras if they do make ST era.

Technologic advance in 30 years isn't why the FO star destroyer is so big. FO went for quality over quantity, if you can't make many, might as well scale them a bit up and make them more qualitative. When one of their FO star destroyers get the khyber crystal upgrade (meaning not all of the ships in the Class have it), its firepower is on the same level as an Executor SSD. Without, it's still more powerful than your old school Imperial Star Destroyer though.

Well I am sure that the 1stOrder is not the same faction as the Republic considering that some how with a single megalaser shot destroyed the entire Republic of countless worlds. And since the Republic is gone the resistance is going to take it's place.

Oh do you mean the Resistance and 1st Order? Sure for Armada I think they should be their own factions. After all Armada is not getting any scum and only 2 factions make the competitive scene rather boring.

The only thing is how to acquire those factions into armada to where they have enough ships to be their own faction? X-wing had 1 faction addition and the simple answer was to have 4 ships cross over from the other two in addition to the 3 ships unique to that faction. However for the TFA factions FFG got around this by simply making them sub-factions and then grouping all sub faction into 3 primary factions, so there really was no difference between the TFA faction and their OT predecessor. However if there was going to be a split between those factions, right now for X-wing there is simply not enough ships for X-wing as 1stOrder has 3 and the Resistance only has 2 (and one of them is shared with Alliance). But there is enough to have sort of a soft split where you could have a primary sub-faction and then take "allies" from another sub-faction preferably the one in the same primary faction.

On 4/12/2017 at 8:58 AM, Snipafist said:

If they wanted to do something like this, I'd think you'd have First Order/Resistance fleets as "sub-factions" that would share access to several ships with their predecssors but also have some options that are only for them. The problem with that kind of approach is balancing the options available to sub-factions so they don't eclipse their base factions or conversely are so bad that they're rarely seen.

I really agree with this. I recently saw Rise of Skywalker, and I think if the First Order were to be added, some new models would need to be created, like this new Star Destroyer class that they have, which looks like an ISD but has a massive Death Star-like cannon on the underside, so it would probably be larger than an ISD. I don’t know what they are called, so I’ll just call them Sith-class Star Destroyers. For the Resistance? I have no idea. It seems they just have the same ships as the Rebellion.

I think there should be 6 separate factions in the game(eventually). 2 from each era, sequel era and OT shouldn’t be mixed at all! I think after TLJ and TROS we have enough content to build up fleets of different ships from each factions. I think new republic and resistance are technically 2 different things, but just for arguments sake, they’ll be the same thing. I starhawks, CR90s, Peltas, Nebs, etc. Could all just get conversion kits that give them a cardboard base and new titles. I want my clone wars era first :)) I don’t hate the sequels, but I just love clone wars more, so i hope they don’t rush clone wars out so they can move on to sequels.

for ships we could see for sequels:

FO: Resurgent class(Lrg), Suppremecy(huge), Neb-K(small), Lancer class frigate(small) new sith ISDs(Lrg), Mandator Dreadnaught(Lrg).

resistance:

MC85(Lrg), Neb-C(Small), Bunker busters(Small), Vakboer class frigate(small), and then you convert CR90s, Neb-Bs, Peltas, starhawks, hammerheads.

im probably missing a bunch(especially after that fleet from TROS, but my point is, the FO and resistance should be 2 completely different factions, and we have enough content to do it. And I’m sure within the next couple years, while FGG is releasing clone wars era content, that we’ll get tv show, maybe movie, and comic book/novels of new ships from this era.

So, am I the only one that thinks the First Order and New Republic should be the SAME faction..?

Oc the sequel factions are separate fractions.

Question is: do we eventually get them for Armada?

I'm tempted to say yes, if the game lives long enough, we will.

But it took about five years to get to four factions, so it's going to be a while.

Wow, did this topic get brought back from the dead or what?!

Anyway, since this was originally posted, there have been some fairly significant changes to X-Wing, as I'm sure we're all well aware (😉), and that game now supports seven (!!) unique factions (Rebel, Empire, Separatists, Republic, Resistance, First Order, Scum). There's no reason that the same couldn't be done for Armada. But as I'm sure everyone here is also well aware, Armada game development moves about as fast as a Victory Star Destroyer (whereas X-Wing development seems to move as fast as an A-Wing!). So while the sequel trilogy may eventually make its way into the game (and I for one am hoping that it does), we're probably looking at 2022 at the earliest.

IMO the sequel factions wouldn't add that much to the game after the clone wars. The first order and resistance/new republic seem to be using upgraded empire and rebel stuff for the most part.

On 1/1/2020 at 6:09 PM, For_The_Empire said:

I really agree with this. I recently saw Rise of Skywalker, and I think if the First Order were to be added, some new models would need to be created, like this new Star Destroyer class that they have, which looks like an ISD but has a massive Death Star-like cannon on the underside, so it would probably be larger than an ISD. I don’t know what they are called, so I’ll just call them Sith-class Star Destroyers. For the Resistance? I have no idea. It seems they just have the same ships as the Rebellion.

IIRC that's more of Palpatine's pet fleet than the First Order as a whole. Besides don't the death star lasers not work?

Given the reveal of the Final Order and the Xyston-class megabestever ISDs, I think a single faction called the Sith Order would be the most sensible structurally. Encompasses both the First and Final Order and their low variety of overpowered ships. I guess it would be a faction devoted to 1-2 ship lists, with maybe a few small ships. Also gives room to add in any other allied Sith-types that might be in the Unknown Regions, like the weird navigator aliens Snoke employed.

As for the Resistance.. yah, no love there. The four new ship classes and the new X-Wing models is all we have, in addition to the Democratic People's Fleet Republic we see in the final movie. Not much to be used there as they just recycled every good guy ship ever. Doesn't make any sense as a faction really. We'd need all the background info about the Republic Navy and have them combined, otherwise its just too thin to be anything but an addendum to the Alliance.