Actually....it doesn't have anything on the 20 Quad laser cannons and antistarfighter tracking fire control of the Lancer... but it is SMALL. And FAST. And has Turbolaser/Ion cannons/Concussion missiles backing up the modest laser cannon loadout (modest by Lancer standard :P)

How can you people not like the Lancer

Personally I prefer the Lancer over the Raider, but I admit that's mostly due to nostalgic reasons. And the fact that the Raider is yet another triangle but with Tie-fighter panels stuck to the side to make it 'different'. The Lancer manages to look Imperial without having the signature Imperial shape.

Just remember the terror in rogue squadron when one made its first appearance in Stackpoles X wing books. The sense of foreboding Corran and the other pilots had. The art for it just doesn't inspire terror. In fact hard not to laugh at space phallus.

Raider is sleek and has that long shark tooth look. Can imagine this thing open up with flechette missiles and laser fire giving that feeling of terror.

2 minutes ago, Spectre8174 said:

Just remember the terror in rogue squadron when one made its first appearance in Stackpoles X wing books. The sense of foreboding Corran and the other pilots had. The art for it just doesn't inspire terror. Infact hard not to laugh at space phallus.

Raider is sleek and has that long shark tooth look. Can imagine this thing open up with fechet missiles and laser fire giving that feeling of terror.

Isn't the terror because the pilots KNEW it's THAT ship with TWENTY quad laser cannons and accurate targeting computers for them and being a frigate it scoffs at laser cannon bolts?

Yeah I liked the idea of the Lancer, but not so much the design. In the case of the Raider I love the design and the idea that it's designed to chase down starfighters. So Raider wins in my book.

Lancer and Raider have different ways going about it; Lancer provides a zone of "Nope, Denied!" around it. It was never really fast but it could cover the capital ships so it was great as an escort. ON THE OTHER HAND....the Raider is a freaking HUNTER. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. You pilots can stay away from Lancers...but Raiders will hunt you down like a Howlrunner.

3 hours ago, Alexhurlbut said:

Isn't the terror because the pilots KNEW it's THAT ship with TWENTY quad laser cannons and accurate targeting computers for them and being a frigate it scoffs at laser cannon bolts?

Not going to argue it's capabilities are fearful to fighter squadrons. Am arguing that it's looks are going to probably relegate it to the dust bins, which I will admit it's a shame. Game wise I do want to see a formation flyer with maybe 2 blues and black anti squadron value. Lancer should be that ship, but its art is generic and dull. Probably not going to make a mini out of. Certainly not going to be something you put on the cover of publications or be the hero ship to an Imperial story.

Raiders art on the other hand pops. You instantly recognize it as Imperial and if you are going to tell a story in the Imperial navy. A dangerous small ship with great art and an aggressive crew that isn't screwed over by plot armor. It's star wars story I'd like to hear.

7 hours ago, Spectre8174 said:

A dangerous small ship with great art and an aggressive crew that isn't screwed over by plot armor.

At that point it is no longer Star Wars

A new trailer with TONS of Raider sequences was just released.

It's official: the Raider is awesome, and the Lancer is dead to me. This ship screams Star Wars in every frame it shows up in.

I did like the raider-sort of. But there was something in the back of my mind that said 'sigh, ...vaguely triangle shaped but with TIE wings slapped on for some reason'...

In retrospect it seems a bit of a lazy design. But I respected the effort.

I saw some great fan artwork for a Victory III the other day... Let's have some more original designs FFG, especially if the old EU stuff is out of bounds these days (is it? I'm not even sure what rules they have to abide by now?).

14 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

Let's have some more original designs FFG, especially if the old EU stuff is out of bounds these days (is it? I'm not even sure what rules they have to abide by now?).

It's not - they can mine the EU freely - it's EU stories that they tend to avoid recanonizing. And generally newcanon authors who used to write for the EU, have a habit of referencing their own EU stories anyway - James Luceno dropped in a few EU references from his own books, into his newcanon novel Tarkin.

Just now, Ironlord said:

It's not - they can mine the EU freely - it's EU stories that they tend to avoid recanonizing. And generally newcanon authors who used to write for the EU, have a habit of referencing their own EU stories anyway - James Luceno dropped in a few EU references from his own books, into his newcanon novel Tarkin.

Well, its not freely - its all "Checked and Without Conflict" - its not just the Story, its the Content... You can use those references, but every reference has to be accepted by the Story Group - Which basically is another group of editors that is doing your editing work for you.

I was thinking more of the Story Group, than individual authors - but yes, there will be the occasional thing the Story Group say no to.

when did stuff from video games make something cannon in star wars?? Its not a book movie or TV show

Raider class corvettes have been mentioned in the novel Thrawn however, that make it canon.

It will have a book though - Inferno Squad - its prequel.

19 minutes ago, ouzel said:

when did stuff from video games make something cannon in star wars?? Its not a book movie or TV show

Legends canon included video games.

3 minutes ago, chr335 said:

Legends canon included video games.

Newcanon currently does too - which is why there are plenty of "canon pages" on Wookieepedia for content and characters from games like Star Wars Uprising, Star Wars Commander, and so forth - and why characters from video games, like Adelhard from Uprising, get namedropped in books - like Aftermath series.

56 minutes ago, Ironlord said:

Newcanon currently does too - which is why there are plenty of "canon pages" on Wookieepedia for content and characters from games like Star Wars Uprising, Star Wars Commander, and so forth - and why characters from video games, like Adelhard from Uprising, get namedropped in books - like Aftermath series.

To be specific, the current rule on video games (and even FFG's games, last I'd heard) was that the ships, technologies, and settings are Canon by default (unless specifically identified as a 'Legends' game). However, the characters, events, and stories from them are Legends by default.

3 minutes ago, xanderf said:

To be specific, the current rule on video games (and even FFG's games, last I'd heard) was that the ships, technologies, and settings are Canon by default (unless specifically identified as a 'Legends' game). However, the characters, events, and stories from them are Legends by default.

"Player-created situations" are non-canon by default, at least:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-commander-out-today-dev-promises-its-not/1100-6421844/

Since we were already talking about story, I had to ask: is Star Wars: Commander going to be considered canon? After all, Disney and Lucasfilm said back in April that Star Wars games would be considered canonical going forward. The answer? Yes and no. While you'll encounter famous Star Wars icons like Han Solo and travel to places like Tatooine with its Tusken Raiders, those elements are of course canon, but the player-created situations are not.

1 hour ago, ouzel said:

when did stuff from video games make something cannon in star wars?? Its not a book movie or TV show

Everything in every official Star Wars product is now considered 100% canon to the universe it appears to exist in. This marginally segregates out things like the LEGO Star Wars universe or the Darth Vader and Son books, but since the video game is set in the Prequels, Original Trilogy, and New Trilogy it is officially canon to that universe in all media including the games, comics, books and films.

3 hours ago, Ironlord said:

It's not - they can mine the EU freely - it's EU stories that they tend to avoid recanonizing. And generally newcanon authors who used to write for the EU, have a habit of referencing their own EU stories anyway - James Luceno dropped in a few EU references from his own books, into his newcanon novel Tarkin.

They should definitely use some of the ships from the old Rebellion/Supremacy PC game then. Lots of cool designs there.

4 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

They should definitely use some of the ships from the old Rebellion/Supremacy PC game then. Lots of cool designs there.

There's very few left that haven't been mentioned in the newcanon somewhere.

The main ones I can think of:

CC-9600-class frigate, Dauntless-class cruiser, Bulwark-class battlecruiser, Liberator-class cruiser, DP-20 Corellian Gunship (Rebels)

Galleon, Star Galleon, Strike-class-cruiser (Imperials).

On 2017-04-12 at 4:36 PM, Lord Tareq said:

How can you people not like the Lancer

Personally I prefer the Lancer over the Raider, but I admit that's mostly due to nostalgic reasons. And the fact that the Raider is yet another triangle but with Tie-fighter panels stuck to the side to make it 'different'. The Lancer manages to look Imperial without having the signature Imperial shape.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I like the Lancer too. I even have a 3D printed one that I painted for Armada. (I am an old-school gamer and remember the ship from the D6 game.) I think it is entirely possible that the Lancer may make an appearance in Armada someday.

And that appearance will be parked over a Star Destroyer murdering the crap out rebel fighters that DARE get too close.

1 hour ago, OrangeCat said:

Oh, don't get me wrong, I like the Lancer too. I even have a 3D printed one that I painted for Armada. (I am an old-school gamer and remember the ship from the D6 game.) I think it is entirely possible that the Lancer may make an appearance in Armada someday.

And that appearance will be parked over a Star Destroyer murdering the crap out rebel fighters that DARE get too close.

Disney is never going to put a giant space p***s on screen anywhere no matter how well written it is. Especially when they gave the name to a random new ship in their kids cartoon series.