Essentials Pack announced
Wow!! FFG must have been reading our minds!!! If you want to play elves or ulthuk, no need for a core set!!
Just now, Ranger421 said:Wow!! FFG must have been reading our minds!!! If you want to play elves or ulthuk, no need for a core set!!
I was debating a second core set for these and more figs but knew I'd want the expansions for the new cards too...now that call for a second core gets tougher.
Ha! Classy move, FFG.
Bogus! I still have to buy a core to get a copy of the Lore Guide from FFG? They should put the official PDF on their website, then.
(Yes, I could just buy the lore guide off of someone, but I'm talking about an official way to get a copy of the lore guide.)
Additionally, you wouldn't have a nice hard-copy of the rules to reference during games. You'd have to print it or have it electronically. (Or memorize it all, with corresponding section numbers.)
EDIT: In all seriousness, this announcement does make me take a step back and reconsider getting all four factions. I may just wait for the Uthuk after all.
Edited by BudgernautThis is great, means I don't have to buy a core and can just wait for my Latari Elves!
Good on FFG for doing this and not forcing us to have to buy a core just for a few upgrade cards that definitely won't be included in the Latari pack. Times like this I love being right!
I am more than fine with printing out my rules, after the first errata or FAQ (expect one within a month or two of release) you will need to carry a print out around anyway, or have it electronically. (Or memorize it all, with corresponding sections numbers.)
6 minutes ago, Ranger421 said:Wow!! FFG must have been reading our minds!!! If you want to play elves or ulthuk, no need for a core set!!
They learned from the Scum players of X-Wing and those Armada players
FFG just made a decision based solely on pleasing the community than making them more money, they said everyone who doesn't want to play waiqar or daqan does have to buy the core, just wait patiently. I have never seen this type of decision made by a miniature game company...While yes it does mean that a new player only playing elves or uthuk may have to pay more for their faction it does save them from have to buy $80-100 worth of minis they don't want...
::golf clap::
1 minute ago, jek said:FFG just made a decision based solely on pleasing the community than making them more money, they said everyone who doesn't want to play waiqar or daqan does have to buy the core, just wait patiently. I have never seen this type of decision made by a miniature game company...While yes it does mean that a new player only playing elves or uthuk may have to pay more for their faction it does save them from have to buy $80-100 worth of minis they don't want...
::golf clap::
This move is a SMART move. It caters to players and let's them pick how they want to hobby.
This will draw more players now. They just need to make the same decision with the base factions
5 minutes ago, Budgernaut said:Bogus! I still have to buy a core to get a copy of the Lore Guide from FFG? They should put the official PDF on their website, then.
(Yes, I could just buy the lore guide off of someone, but I'm talking about an official way to get a copy of the lore guide.)
Additionally, you wouldn't have a nice hard-copy of the rules to reference during games. You'd have to print it or have it electronically. (Or memorize it all, with corresponding section numbers.)
EDIT: In all seriousness, this announcement does make me take a step back and reconsider getting all four factions. I may just wait for the Uthuk after all.
I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions. Look at the size/shape of the box: doesn't it look about the same size as the rules? That's gotta be what is dictating the shape. It's really minimal effort for them to put some paper rules in the box, so I wouldn't be surprised if they updated this announcement article to state that it includes a rules reference and Lore Guide. Learn to play book...not so sure since it focuses on the Daqan and Waiqar's forces, but maybe that's in there, too.
Oh and this makes them money. Not a lot but it is a replacement pack for people and saves them the need to sell tool sets and replacement cards.
Well it's going to be $85 for the Latari + essentials, or $100 for the core with Daqan/Undead.. and all of the essentials. So bang for your buck, the core is still the best bet. But that makes sense, lots of companies expect to lose money on the core as it is the hook to get players in to keep buying the blister packs, which is where the real money is made (see F2P gemmer type games like Clash Royale for a prime example). So those of us who want to play Latari are definitely going to pay a bit of a premium, but I honestly think they would have had a hard time convincing players to play those factions without this type of box. I myself was on the fence if I had to buy a Core + Latari.. as another poster said in either this thread or the other one, they have learned from the Scum faction in X-Wing and don't plan to make the same mistakes twice. So good on them for admitting their faults and learning from them. Sign of a good company.
1 minute ago, Lyraeus said:This move is a SMART move. It caters to players and let's them pick how they want to hobby.
This will draw more players now. They just need to make the same decision with the base factions
Yes however companies don't always choose the smart choice vs. the more money choice
Did you guys notice Ravos on the front of the box? HYPE!
very interested in the rules for Proxies....
3 minutes ago, jek said:Yes however companies don't always choose the smart choice vs. the more money choice
Well ffg now has 4 Miniature games and 2 of them have had this issue and they have not done it.
This actually means more. Money for them though. Now a person can cherry pick what they want buy this box and go. You always 3 packs of Elvish archers and 3 packs of Spearman? Sure! Go right ahead. Want a Treant instead of a golem? No problem.
This is a genius move and depending on how well it does will show other companies the light.
2 minutes ago, Hidatom said:very interested in the rules for Proxies....
I very much doubt there will ever be official proxy rules, so I wouldn't hold my breath there. Proxies are, by nature, unofficial.
7 minutes ago, Parakitor said:I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions. Look at the size/shape of the box: doesn't it look about the same size as the rules? That's gotta be what is dictating the shape. It's really minimal effort for them to put some paper rules in the box, so I wouldn't be surprised if they updated this announcement article to state that it includes a rules reference and Lore Guide. Learn to play book...not so sure since it focuses on the Daqan and Waiqar's forces, but maybe that's in there, too.
I think the punch board that the terrain and templates come in probably dictated the size of the box
I was fully prepared to skip this game. Then I see the elves and I'm like oh my gosh!!!! But a core and elves is so much money, now, blammo! I just may have to buy elves and an essential pack.
5 minutes ago, Lyraeus said:Well ffg now has 4 Miniature games and 2 of them have had this issue and they have not done it.
This actually means more. Money for them though. Now a person can cherry pick what they want buy this box and go. You always 3 packs of Elvish archers and 3 packs of Spearman? Sure! Go right ahead. Want a Treant instead of a golem? No problem.
This is a genius move and depending on how well it does will show other companies the light.
I think this one is likely to have more single faction players than their other miniatures games do. Most X-Wings players that I know tend to buy from all the factions even if they primarily play a single faction. If you play Armada you are playing one of the two factions in the core set, I'm not too sure how much you need to buy cross faction to get the upgrade cards you need. Imperial Assault forces you to buy from all factions if you want to play at tournaments and each faction can bring in units belonging to another faction (which looks like it is going to be a thing in Runewars as well).
Edited by WWHSDI guess we'll have to wait for an expansion pack wave to see how much the cards inside are cross-faction. I didn't mind it too much in Xwing as I'm a 'buy one of each' guy for the collecting cool spaceships aspect, but I doubt I'll be buying everything for everyone in this game.
1 minute ago, keltheos said:I guess we'll have to wait for an expansion pack wave to see how much the cards inside are cross-faction. I didn't mind it too much in Xwing as I'm a 'buy one of each' guy for the collecting cool spaceships aspect, but I doubt I'll be buying everything for everyone in this game.
you will only have to buy the expacs for your faction, all neutral cards will be doubled through out the range of expansions.
Just now, jek said:you will only have to buy the expacs for your faction, all neutral cards will be doubled through out the range of expansions.
see, that's awesome news. They've learned with each product how to get their fans what they want. I bet there's a slight price bump on stuff because of that, but we won't notice it.
Well done FFG.
I'm still buying a core set even though I'm planning on rocking Elves.
That is bad for us collector's like me... I am going to have so many neutral cards...