They are releasing this in a very similar way to how X-Wing and Armada was released. Both of those games are success stories, so I am sure they will try to follow the initial plan they had for them.

If anything I think the plans they have revealed so far, are very confident and aggressive. 2 New factions in 1 year and multiple release waves. It is very ambitious by FFG standard.

You can't really compare it to a big known IP as Star Wars which also had prepainted ships, this is quite different but I'm quite sure this game will do well.

Ya I likely won't last until the Latari come, I just would like to know if I need to buy the core, or will they release these two new factions in the same style? Core 2.0 with everything that comes with core 1 instead it has the Latari and Cat people.

My local store won't have kick-off OP support, but they said they will try to organise local tournament if there will be enough interest in this game. Here in Europe everyone are very cautious. The store owner said he will have something for start, but than all depands how the game will sell... but I can't blame him as even our local FFG partner-publisher decided to skip first wave of local translations, as they want to wait and see how the game will adapt. So again, we fans will have to take initiative in our own hands.

hmm that sucks, But I suppose the need of store owners to be cautious...

2 hours ago, FrogTrigger said:

Ya I likely won't last until the Latari come, I just would like to know if I need to buy the core, or will they release these two new factions in the same style? Core 2.0 with everything that comes with core 1 instead it has the Latari and Cat people.

I need to know the same thing. Uthuk are my priamry and Latari are my secondary, so I'd love to get a core box of them. For a miniatures game where faction identity is important, it would seem odd forcing the purcahse of $100-worth of undead and humans if that wasn't your main faction.

As an aside, my twin brother is into Waiqar and Daqan, so I would love for us to each get a different core box at Christmas time and paint them up together.

4 hours ago, Budgernaut said:

I need to know the same thing. Uthuk are my priamry and Latari are my secondary, so I'd love to get a core box of them. For a miniatures game where faction identity is important, it would seem odd forcing the purcahse of $100-worth of undead and humans if that wasn't your main faction.

i understand and agree that it seems strange to require a core that has figures you wont use. but it is one of two routs miniature games generally release. either that or stand alone rulebook, with all miniatures separate.

if we are REALLY lucky we will get a new core.

what i expect is an army starter box for each faction.

if we are really unlucky they will just release individual expansions for the elves. i dont really see this happening. maybe the army starter boxes will coincide with a release of a pack of just templates and tokens.

At the GAMA presentation, they showed the new faction teaser as separate "box" silhouettes if I remember right, might mean they're leaning against a second core set for them. I won't mind either way

2 hours ago, blkdymnd said:

At the GAMA presentation, they showed the new faction teaser as separate "box" silhouettes if I remember right, might mean they're leaning against a second core set for them. I won't mind either way

That was my interpretation as well. I've told people on Reddit not to get their hopes up about a second core, but I secretly hope for one myself.

23 hours ago, player562030 said:

The lack of promotion for this game, along with the fact that there is only two factions to choose from when it releases seems to me like a cautious approach for a new table top miniatures war game. Rather than saying it's "cautious" I should say FFG is treating it more like a board game release instead of a the miniatures war game that it is.

I get that there are a lot of people excited for this game (me being one of them) but out of my gaming group of over twelve avid board game/war game enthusiasts over half didn't even know about this game. Then after me hyping this game up to them, only one out of the five that wanted to get into this game was interested in the two factions available at launch.

I just feel that it being a war game, if they had four factions to choose from at launch, it would reach more people's interest/attention.

Not having mats at launch in my opinion is a missed opportunity by FFG as well. Why not fully support this great game with accessories on day one? People excited to play will want something to play on.

I believe FFG knows what they're doing. I have no doubt about that. I am super excited for this game and just wish it was a bigger deal at its launch.

Thanks for explaining your opinion. I still think having four factions within the first year and additional new units is pushing the game rather than being overly cautious, however, I'm of that boardgaming sort rather than wargaming crowd. So it's fair to say we have different expectations, on related note that's the mats announced now.

52 minutes ago, Muz333 said:

Thanks for explaining your opinion. I still think having four factions within the first year and additional new units is pushing the game rather than being overly cautious, however, I'm of that boardgaming sort rather than wargaming crowd. So it's fair to say we have different expectations, on related note that's the mats announced now.

It's more of my feelings than opinion. I'm just really excited for this game and wanted a big grandiose release. It felt like this was the perfect time for FFG to drop the huge war hammer ?? on this genre but they decided to use a much safer rubber mallet. I will agree that the upcoming releases are slightly more aggressive than the FFG norm, just wish it was more factions to draw more people in first. But hey! At least they're putting out mats for the launch! Still not sure about having two 3x3's instead of one 3x6...Who am I kidding though? FFG has my heart, soul and wallet. Of course I'll be buying them.

I'd be VERY surprised by a '2nd core set' for the next two factions. Not only does it actually compound the issue of people buying boxes containing minis/units they (potentially) don't want, but it'd be a very unusual move by FFG. They NEVER confuse their core set products (although there is the 2 X-Wing core sets...)

I think the main reason is that FFG are already getting very small margins on the current core set - this is shown by how much more expensive the expansions are. So why would they release a similar product, with similarly low margins?

I hope they don't 'just' release expansion boxes for all the Latari/Ulthuk stuff though - that'd make them a lot more expensive to collect than the other two.

My prediction is that they'll do large boxed expansions that contain the equivalent of half a core set's figures for around 60-75% of the cost of the core set.

33 minutes ago, jonboyjon1990 said:

I'd be VERY surprised by a '2nd core set' for the next two factions. Not only does it actually compound the issue of people buying boxes containing minis/units they (potentially) don't want, but it'd be a very unusual move by FFG. They NEVER confuse their core set products (although there is the 2 X-Wing core sets...)

I think the main reason is that FFG are already getting very small margins on the current core set - this is shown by how much more expensive the expansions are. So why would they release a similar product, with similarly low margins?

I hope they don't 'just' release expansion boxes for all the Latari/Ulthuk stuff though - that'd make them a lot more expensive to collect than the other two.

My prediction is that they'll do large boxed expansions that contain the equivalent of half a core set's figures for around 60-75% of the cost of the core set.

This makes the most sense. Similar to how they jump started the Scum faction in X-Wing with a box set. It will probably be a hero, a large unit, an infantry, and then cavalry/Archer/other support unit.

2 hours ago, jonboyjon1990 said:

My prediction is that they'll do large boxed expansions that contain the equivalent of half a core set's figures for around 60-75% of the cost of the core set.

60-75% off the cost of a core set is the regular cost of a 2-tray expansion. There's no way they would do that.

7 minutes ago, JasonGlass said:

60-75% off the cost of a core set is the regular cost of a 2-tray expansion. There's no way they would do that.

Of, not off.

So $100 core set. $60-75 Expansion

1 minute ago, jonboyjon1990 said:

Of, not off.

So $100 core set. $60-75 Expansion

Me no read good.

If anybody at FFg would ask me why i dont buy this game, my answer is : Not without the elves !

I guess i am not the only one. If the elves do not appear this year autumn, i doubt the game will be a sucess. and because it is no sucesss, they do not make the elves, funny, isnt it ?

Lets hope the game as it is sells good enough for ffg to make the elves

1 minute ago, magicrealm said:

If anybody at FFg would ask me why i dont buy this game, my answer is : Not without the elves !

I guess i am not the only one. If the elves do not appear this year autumn, i doubt the game will be a sucess. and because it is no sucesss, they do not make the elves, funny, isnt it ?

Lets hope the game as it is sells good enough for ffg to make the elves

Success or not the Elves are coming. They've already been announced which means they'll come out regardless. I've not seen FFG preview something at a con they weren't confident they'll release

Are there that many elf players? I personally would say Undead and probably humans are also factions that can get many players onboard.

I'm waiting for the ninja turtles. No wait, wrong forum

1 minute ago, Corto said:

I'm waiting for the ninja turtles. No wait, wrong forum

Is it the wrong forum? I thought for sure you were thinking of the Mahkim.

This is a 2-army box including Dragons and Mahkim from Diskwars, a game set in the same world as Runewars.

21 minutes ago, Iceeagle85 said:

Are there that many elf players? I personally would say Undead and probably humans are also factions that can get many players onboard.

I'm waiting for Latari as well, no elves, no money from me Sir FFG :-D

29 minutes ago, Iceeagle85 said:

Are there that many elf players? I personally would say Undead and probably humans are also factions that can get many players onboard.

It is elf and undead for me. Followed by orcs and dwarves.

Elves are the last I'd pick up. Uthuk will be next up after Daqan for me. I'll probably pick up one unit of elves just to use with Kari

5 hours ago, jonboyjon1990 said:

I think the main reason is that FFG are already getting very small margins on the current core set - this is shown by how much more expensive the expansions are.

This could be true but I haven't seen anything to support this idea. Core sets sell more than most expansions and we're talking about a $100 purchase and relatively inexpensive (compared to metal or hard plastic) PVC miniatures.

As for the expansions, I think their price is more a reflection of the market than it is a reflection of the margins of the core set. The expansions are basically priced (per-miniature) very similarly to basic Warhammer/AoS units and the boxed set is about 20% less. Of course they also come with cards, and command tools and you need less of them for a game, but essentially we're seeing prices that are roughly in line (a bit less than overall) with what GW and others are paying.