So if Poe triggers a smuggler freighter and uses one of the 2 sides of its dice ( which u would) does the card go in the discard pile or back onto the top of the deck..... If it's beck to the deck what a nice little synergy.

Instinctively I would say no, typically rules/card text on cards that are in the discard pile are ignored unless otherwise stated.

Having said that I'm only going on precedent set by other games so it could very well work the way you want it to should FFG say that it does as there are no rules about what cards in the discard pile can/can't do.

It does create an interesting question though, as if it works the way you suggest assuming you actually wanted to play the freighter as well, you would not be able to play the freighter with Poe's ability because it wold already be back on top of your deck.

We don't know, and won't until the rules updates. It depends on whether the Freighter's text is considered an Inherent Dice Ability or not. It's literally impossible to tell just from the card - the rules have to explicitly list those that are.

Which is quite possibly the dumbest CCG rule ever, but we're stuck with it, at least for now.

I'd say 'Probably'. We've already got cards with 'Inherent Dice Abilities' that determine how they are always resolved (Diplomatic Immunity and Launch Bay); I don't see any reason why Smuggling Freighter wouldn't fit into the same category. However we might have to wait for a FAQ update for it to be official.

I'm glad everyone else is as clear on this as I am. I guess we shall have to wait and see.

Considering Poe counts in texts of cards like Immunity or more important Hangar - we can safely assume that dice and card are one and cannot be treated independent - freighter goes back into the deck.

Plus (even there is no precedent in Destiny as far as im concerned so im drawing from MtG and such on this one) there is nothing in the rules stating that going into discard pile "switches off" cards abilities. Usually there are conditions when card can be used only from certain place , or other game mechanics force it to be in certain place (like resolving dice).

5 hours ago, Vitalis said:

Considering Poe counts in texts of cards like Immunity or more important Hangar - we can safely assume that dice and card are one and cannot be treated independent - freighter goes back into the deck.

Plus (even there is no precedent in Destiny as far as im concerned so im drawing from MtG and such on this one) there is nothing in the rules stating that going into discard pile "switches off" cards abilities. Usually there are conditions when card can be used only from certain place , or other game mechanics force it to be in certain place (like resolving dice).

This is incorrect. Abilities on cards are only active when they are in play (Page 16: An ability becomes usable as soon as its card enters play, and remains usable as long as that card is in play. An ability from an event is resolved when that event is played. )

Poe's ability never puts the card into play, so the text wouldn't be active. That's basically why they created the Inherent Dice Abilities rule. But there's no way to distinguish an Inherent Dice Ability from a standard Ability except by whether or not the card is listed as an Inherent Dice Ability.

While we can probably assume that FFG will be adding things to the list (or, more hopefully, fixing it so it's not just a list) per current rules it's not there, so it's not active. There's no real gray area here as far as the current rules are concerned, only whether and how FFG will change them.

Smuggling Freighter clearly has an inherent die ability; it specifically says "this die." Both effects trigger upon resolution of the die, so you stack them however you want.

I was recently wondering the same thing...specifically, does the Freighter go on top of the deck and/or can I use Poe's ability to pay one resource to get the vehicle into play.

19 minutes ago, Deepspace5 said:

I was recently wondering the same thing...specifically, does the Freighter go on top of the deck and/or can I use Poe's ability to pay one resource to get the vehicle into play.

No, you cannot.

RR, page 17: Inherent dice abilities other than specials never use the words “before” or “after” or “while.”

Smuggling Freighter: After you resolve one of this die's sides showing a value of 2, place this support on the top of your deck.

It's not an inherent ability, which means it only applies while the card is actually in play.

This is a good question:

Here's another question:

Regardless of the official ruling, would you really ever put a smuggling freighter in your Poe deck?

1 hour ago, RookiePilot said:

This is a good question:

Here's another question:

Regardless of the official ruling, would you really ever put a smuggling freighter in your Poe deck?

Cool. I could see some merit to having it in a different style of deck that actually uses supports. Not top tier competitive, of course, but interesting to note. You can use Poe to resolve the 2 resource side, pay one to get it into play, roll out the freighter and get another 2 resource or use the disrupt. Very slow, but a good bit of resources for a different style of deck.

Spoke to the head judge at Euro's about this and they confirmed the Freighter trigger does happen and it bounces to deck - even if you want to pay the 1 to play it, as it's trigger activates before Poe's ends.

8 minutes ago, KovuTalli said:

Spoke to the head judge at Euro's about this and they confirmed the Freighter trigger does happen and it bounces to deck - even if you want to pay the 1 to play it, as it's trigger activates before Poe's ends.

Nice then, if it is the case, would'nt riot control baton be able to reroll using FN-2199 ability?

3 minutes ago, Chakan99939 said:

Nice then, if it is the case, would'nt riot control baton be able to reroll using FN-2199 ability?

No due to FN's ability saying"You may IMMEDIATELY resolve it" . So you either Immediately resolve what it rolls, or you bypass that and then do the reroll instead. If it wasn't for the immediate wording then you could reroll then resolve.

5 hours ago, KovuTalli said:

No due to FN's ability saying"You may IMMEDIATELY resolve it" . So you either Immediately resolve what it rolls, or you bypass that and then do the reroll instead. If it wasn't for the immediate wording then you could reroll then resolve.

I think this has been a source of confusion for me and many others, so I'll post it here. In X-Wing, the rules say the following:

22 hours ago, KovuTalli said:

Spoke to the head judge at Euro's about this and they confirmed the Freighter trigger does happen and it bounces to deck - even if you want to pay the 1 to play it, as it's trigger activates before Poe's ends.

Sorry, but they got this one wrong.

Smuggling Freighter is not an inherent dice ability. That means that when Poe resolves the side, the ability isn't active.

Specific rules:

- An ability becomes usable as soon as its card enters play, and remains usable as long as that card is in play. (Resolving with Poe never puts the card in play)

Some cards have ongoing abilities on them which are considered to be inherent to the die, and always affect how the die resolves, independent of the card being in play. Inherent dice abilities other than specials never use the words “before” or “after” or “while.” (Smuggling Freighter is not a special, and is an "after", so cannot be inherent)

It's pretty cut and dried, and very disappointing that the TOs at such a large event didn't know this.

You're absolutely right, Buhallin. It goes to the "discard pile", which, per the rules reference, is "out of play". The subsection "discard pile" is literally in the section "out of play"!

21 hours ago, Kieransi said:

In Destiny, "immediately" actually means something. It's easy to get the two confused, since they use the same terminology. So, yeah, in the past I've been confused and though "immediately" didn't mean anything, but KovuTalli is right. The word "immediately" makes FN and Baton function differently than Poe and Freighter.

So if the FN did not have the word Immediately, then the resolution of the die would somehow exist outside of the ability queue?

I've always understood the reason you have to choose to either resolve the die or re-roll it is because the Baton's effect is triggered after FN's ability (FN's ability actually triggers the Baton's effect) which places it at the end of the queue. Any ability/effect in the queue must fully resolve before moving on to the next ability/effect, which means you either resolve the die using FN's ability in which case there is no die to re-roll when you get to the Baton's effect, or you choose not to resolve the die, finishing FN's ability and moving on to the Baton's effect.

21 minutes ago, joeshmoe554 said:

So if the FN did not have the word Immediately, then the resolution of the die would somehow exist outside of the ability queue?

I've always understood the reason you have to choose to either resolve the die or re-roll it is because the Baton's effect is triggered after FN's ability (FN's ability actually triggers the Baton's effect) which places it at the end of the queue. Any ability/effect in the queue must fully resolve before moving on to the next ability/effect, which means you either resolve the die using FN's ability in which case there is no die to re-roll when you get to the Baton's effect, or you choose not to resolve the die, finishing FN's ability and moving on to the Baton's effect.

If the word "immediately" weren't there, they'd say its simultaneous and you can choose. FFG doesn't pay much attention to the queue, sadly...

Immediately doesn't actually mean anything. As joe says, the ability wouldn't resolve any differently without "immediately". The FN/Baton interaction is governed entirely by the queue, and the fact that you're in the middle of resolving FN when you roll in the Baton, so the Baton's ability goes into the queue behind FN's ability. This is exactly the same as the Squad Tactics/Redeploy example in the rule book. If FN/ Baton were going to be considered simultaneous without "immediately" then the later activations of Squad Tactics would also be considered simultaneous with Squad Tactics, but this is not what the example shows.

"Immediately" has no game definition, and doesn't change anything about the queue. It's a fluff term which FFG's designers are for some reason inappropriately fond of, but lacking any game definition, don't read anything into it.