Maybe I'm stupid. Perhaps I'm late to the understanding, but I've been railing against the current compressed top-tier Meta, but I've had it all wrong. It slapped me in the head, the Meta isn't being controlled by red dice creep; it isn't not being bent by Biggs, Sabine, or Regen; it's certainly not completely ham-strung by the wondership that is the Jumpmasters, but it's something else entirely. Sure, they are the lightning rods that we all see the power hit and flow through, but it's not them; they just add to the pain. It's Action Economy. Simple. The Scum have it in spades, so they have the smoothest path to the winning fields. The Rebels are right behind with not quite so powerful self Action Economy, but their ability to greatly reduce the AE of opponents equals out their lacking to the scummier squads. Although the Empire should have great AE according to SW Cannon, don't. Their highly trained, equipped and vaunted Aces who once sported it --as they could deal with the self-stress to attain it-- now have what little they can muster taken away when the squeeze is on. Plus, the only auto-AE has been nerfed.

So, my friends, go for the list with the greatest AE and the wave that pushes you to shore will give you happiness as when you were a child having a holiday at the shore; winning glory will find you and your women will rejoice!!

Uh, duh!

action Econ AND red dice creep: Fenn Rau lol.

And, as a corollary, this explains the weakness of early wave ships. . .they were/are designed with a "you get one action. . .choose" state of play in mind.

As with many such binary options it's both.

One more reason Attani is busted as ****. Insane action efficiency, and no way to shut it off.

Thanks for helping the unintelligent feel OK about themselves Stay on the Leader ?

I could take Fenn all day long if he only had his actions....but it's the assistance that makes him over the top. It's mind boggling when I focus on where AE exists and where it doesn't, it makes everything crystal clear. It's so easy to know what to fly when you want to win; it's paramount.

I an an idiot....

Yes but let's stop calling it "action economy" it's really freebie or bonus actions. And I think FFG designers have lost the plot with it. They need to give some of that freebie action action to the early wave ships that can't focus, evade, target lock, hand off a focus, get a free barrel roll, and then boost like the wave 9+ ships get.

5 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

And, as a corollary, this explains the weakness of early wave ships. . .they were/are designed with a "you get one action. . .choose" state of play in mind.

That was certainly the idea, but it didn't really work well. The game's dice curve is just awful without modifications and it took a lot of choice out of things. Pretty much everything from Wave 2 forward has been about trying to make use of the action phase without crippling a ship's offensive output.

Well maybe people should bring stress builds to counter mindlinks, its just about what you do with your lists. If you see list that Paul Heaver is currently been playing you see how fast those action economy lists fall down.

18 minutes ago, clanofwolves said:

I an an idiot....

No you're not. . .you just don't use verbs.

8 minutes ago, Zazaa said:

Well maybe people should bring stress builds to counter mindlinks, its just about what you do with your lists. If you see list that Paul Heaver is currently been playing you see how fast those action economy lists fall down.

Attani lists are MORE resilient to stress lists, not less. That's one of the many problems with the card.

And which faction started it ? Wasn't there som faction with pilots vadering and felling all over the place for years?

Maybe action economy should be nerfed? ;P

I blame C-3PO.

25 minutes ago, LunarSol said:

That was certainly the idea, but it didn't really work well. The game's dice curve is just awful without modifications and it took a lot of choice out of things. Pretty much everything from Wave 2 forward has been about trying to make use of the action phase without crippling a ship's offensive output.

Well, it worked fine at the time. But, as layers have been added on via new ships, upgrades, and titles, none of this has been retrofitted to the early ships*. All the early ships just need Titles that finally give then action economy (because at this point the game sure can't go the other way).

*With the exception of Y-Wing. . .it got the TLT for action economy.

8 minutes ago, Managarmr said:

And which faction started it ? Wasn't there som faction with pilots vadering and felling all over the place for years?

Now, now, pointing fingers is not nice at all. Besides, Fel looks to continue to have a nice long coffee break in the current milieu.

45 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

action Econ AND red dice creep: Fenn Rau lol.

****, did any of you ever realize that Fenn Rau is an anagram for Nerf Nau ? Illuminaty confirmed behind the Scum faction.

We've been discussing this at length two months ago

There were many discussions at the end of January/beginning of February, but it cooled down again.

Absolute is about action economy. This is why Double Shuttle Omega Leader is so dominant.

Was the acronym AE taken so that you're using AC to stand for A ction E conomy? It's all I seem to be able to Focus on here.

17 minutes ago, ObiWonka said:

I blame C-3PO.

...and he'll forward the blame.

"I would much rather have gone with Master Luke than stay here with you. I don't know what all this trouble is about, but I'm sure it must be your fault."
[ R2 beeps an angry response ]

2 minutes ago, DerekT said:

Absolute is about action economy. This is why Double Shuttle Omega Leader is so dominant.

That list has zero action economy, only action passing! Attani lists, on the other hand, have control-resistant action economy of the highest order, at the lowest price, on any scum ship that can take an ept. That's what's being discussed here, when you get down to it...

10 minutes ago, Ob3ron said:

Was the acronym AE taken so that you're using AC to stand for A ction E conomy? It's all I seem to be able to Focus on here.

I told you I an an idiot.

22 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

There were many discussions at the end of January/beginning of February, but it cooled down again.

Look at that front roll in. . .

3 minutes ago, banjobenito said:

That list has zero action economy, only action passing! Attani lists, on the other hand, have control-resistant action economy of the highest order, at the lowest price, on any scum ship that can take an ept. That's what's being discussed here, when you get down to it...

But but but... The EPT slot is super valuable and putting Attanni on all ships reduces your options.

I assume that was the thinking behind it originally, oh I love it so....