Why are the U Wings so weak?

By Hexdot, in X-Wing

You can make a good stand alone piece out of a U-Wing or put it in a list.

Heff-

FCS

Finn

Hera

TJ

for a bit over 30 pts you've essentially got a 4/2 8 hull ship that's an excellent blocker and is very likely to have TL and focus most turns.

Have a list I use this with Stramm stress bot and Vrill. It's done very well for me.

You might as well drop that to the generic for a few points less.

Heff loses his ability if hes stressed, and if you plan to use Hera on a ship that literally only has 1 red move you must be planning to just sit in a spot forever.

I find alot of the times when i find a thread like this i feel the urge to find a use for the ship. Alas, im stumped on this one. Even the Punisher has a pretty obvious use for it (Deathrain) to atleast sometimes put it on the table. Every time i put the uwing into a list i feel like its soaking points and contributing nothing more than a wide base to block, which i can do that with any large base while simultaneously doing something else too (or, yaknow, have a dial that can do it more than once?)

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What does bohdi do that z95 with tracers doesn't do better?

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9 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

Mutha FAQing K2-S0!!!!!!!! Where are you! Did they even watch the film!

seriously, my only gripe. And that it's not GUNBOAT.

and for the record the actual ship that was Rogue One was the funky transport that FFG will never make.

The call sign is for the pilot, not the ship

9 hours ago, Joe Boss Red Seven said:

"Why are the U Wings so weak?"

EASY Brah... FFG screwed up. They should have a 4 dice HEAVY ION CANNON that causes full rolled damage and inflicts 2 ion tokens with target lock that goes out to range five and has a 90 degree arc on each side. Cost ten points... Who-Rah!

WHY YOU NO DID DAT FFG... WHY... WHY?!?!?!

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Just come to my house... I'll fix you up, FFG don't run-stuff here.

:lol:

Large ships don't have energy. ;)

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6 minutes ago, Moneyinvolved said:

The call sign is for the pilot, not the ship

You sure? In Empire Luke was Rogue Leader in the skimmers but still flying Red 5 when he got back in an X-wing...

14 minutes ago, RittsMJ said:

What does bohdi do that z95 with tracers doesn't do better?

Quite different behavior actually.

Bohdi (pilot atleast) enables your list that can take a TL normally to use their normal action to get a TL on an enemy ship as long as SOMEBODY in the list is close enough. Basically all it does is make it incredibly hard outside first round to not be able to TL someone.
Tracers have a range limitation and the friendly ships all have to be close enough to get the TL to begin with, but it gives it to them at no cost of their own action and even if they cant get a TL normally they still get one.

Totally different mentality, but the Bohdi one is kinda....pointless....

4 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:

Large ships don't have energy. ;)

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Yeah but you know that the other actions that do not use energy should be on Large Ships

:lol:

Please, for me X Wing is a pleasant and friendly game to have fun. Too much little details about examining each word in legal documents while at work. Each fraking day. Not here please.

All opinions welcome. I opened this thread to read your ideas. The U wing is one great blocker. We all agree. But IMHO this beautiful ship deserves a better place in the X Wing Universe.

I like Bodhi. A lot. I am not a good shooter/ brawler/athlete. Not a pretty face. Not very smart. But I consider myself capable of choosing the "good" side if needed. Like Bodhi.

And not happy about him as a PS4 no EPT pilot. If one character in Rogue One deserves DETERMINATION EPT he is Bodhi. Not a mere blocker

Academy Ties are blockers. And PS 1 Scum. Not Bodhi.

And please stop with the "Moaning" theme. I play no Meta. This is not about Tournaments. Simply I think that the U Wing needs better cards/rules/whatever.

Thanks a lot

Blue Squadron Pathfinder

-Hera Syndulla

-Gunner

-Fire Control System

Park on the edge of the engagement and take your shots. If someone tries to fly past you, use the title to flip around on them.

20 minutes ago, Hexdot said:

Please, for me X Wing is a pleasant and friendly game to have fun. Too much little details about examining each word in legal documents while at work. Each fraking day. Not here please.

All opinions welcome. I opened this thread to read your ideas. The U wing is one great blocker. We all agree. But IMHO this beautiful ship deserves a better place in the X Wing Universe.

I like Bodhi. A lot. I am not a good shooter/ brawler/athlete. Not a pretty face. Not very smart. But I consider myself capable of choosing the "good" side if needed. Like Bodhi.

And not happy about him as a PS4 no EPT pilot. If one character in Rogue One deserves DETERMINATION EPT he is Bodhi. Not a mere blocker

Academy Ties are blockers. And PS 1 Scum. Not Bodhi.

And please stop with the "Moaning" theme. I play no Meta. This is not about Tournaments. Simply I think that the U Wing needs better cards/rules/whatever.

Thanks a lot

Well, to "justify" his PS, he is an Imperial pilot with little to no familiarity in Rebel designs. Also, he is a shuttle pilot, and therefore not necessarily a combatant.

Maybe he'll get a PS boost when they release the Zeta-class Shuttle Expansion, FFG's first Large-Base Epic ship.

35 minutes ago, Estarriol said:

You sure? In Empire Luke was Rogue Leader in the skimmers but still flying Red 5 when he got back in an X-wing...

In Star Wars it could be different, but in the military a call sign was assigned to an individual in a certain position. I know when it comes to the president, any airplane in the air force he flys in becomes air force one. Same thing with any marine helicopter becomes marine one. There is more than one Air Force plane that the president flys in.

Stat-wise the U-Wing is pretty good for the point cost; I like to think of it as a larger X-Wing. Most of the time you're going to be at two agility and for 25 points you get a 4H4S with 3 attack and 2 agility with Fire Control systems. The dial is pretty good; not a whole lot of green but the only red you have is the 0 stop.

Cassian is one of my favorite support ships and with any of the U-Wings you need to keep them cheap. Cassian comes out to 28 points with collision detector, inspiring recruits and the title (+trick shot). You can remove 2 stress a turn and I think you could find a use for removing two stress a turn (hint: an angry wookie)

TLDR: 1. you can make a cheap attacker/block or a support ship with the U-Wings. 2. keep them cheap.

also to the comments on why we haven't seen the U-Wing place in any regionals events? Most of the regionals that we've had this cycle didn't have the U Wing out yet for at least the US. Chicago was the one of the first ones to have it tourney legal and I think most people wanted to play with the imp U wing or were using lists they had time to practice with. I made a dash norra build go boom with Cassian and two arcs and people have had some success using U-Wings as cheap blockers and attackers.

11 hours ago, Hexdot said:

This post is not about the cost to ratio value or Meta...simply about ship stats compared to other ships

PS. Maximun 6. We see PS 8-9 Aces everywhere and with a ship that may count as a character in Rogue One...PS 6 Max.

EPT Slots. Only Cassian can equip one The Pilot (Bodhi) lacks EPT. 4. Pilot cards and only one EPT capable.

4 Hull + 4 Shields. Agi 1.5. Large base. I know FFG wants my money and I want to invest it in beautiful models. 4 Hull? Really?

Perhaps FFG purposedly designed a cheap support ship.

Perhaps as many, many players buy this because it is the "good guys ship" in the film there is no need to be a good ship on the matt. Better profits boosting less known ships.

At first I was dissapointed about the model's size. But it is beautiful. Amazing. Inspiring. Worth 30$.

After some plays my pals and I started moaning. This U Wing... It is lacking something. A little dissapointing.

The Pilot can equip no EPT and a Toilet Seat generic can? Mmmmm. Probably not overcosted, simply cheap but man... This is one beautiful and expectacular ship. Compared witb Scum Large ships it is laging behind.

We play all 3 unique pilots as EPT capable ships. Perhaps we will give the in a future our medicine to below the curve ships... 2 free points to equip upgrades. Perhaps non crew upgrades.

Why is this slender and iconic ship so weak?

"Iconic"

this word does not mean what you think it means.

Perhaps not the best word. Not important. Not care about this.

Good night folks.

45 minutes ago, Garma89 said:

Stat-wise the U-Wing is pretty good for the point cost; I like to think of it as a larger X-Wing. Most of the time you're going to be at two agility and for 25 points you get a 4H4S with 3 attack and 2 agility with Fire Control systems. The dial is pretty good; not a whole lot of green but the only red you have is the 0 stop.

Cassian is one of my favorite support ships and with any of the U-Wings you need to keep them cheap. Cassian comes out to 28 points with collision detector, inspiring recruits and the title (+trick shot). You can remove 2 stress a turn and I think you could find a use for removing two stress a turn (hint: an angry wookie)

TLDR: 1. you can make a cheap attacker/block or a support ship with the U-Wings. 2. keep them cheap.

also to the comments on why we haven't seen the U-Wing place in any regionals events? Most of the regionals that we've had this cycle didn't have the U Wing out yet for at least the US. Chicago was the one of the first ones to have it tourney legal and I think most people wanted to play with the imp U wing or were using lists they had time to practice with. I made a dash norra build go boom with Cassian and two arcs and people have had some success using U-Wings as cheap blockers and attackers.

As a new player it seemed like a bigger X-Wing to me too. I ran it in my very first squadron with two T-70s.

I haven't found a great deal of use for the stress removal yet, but maybe I just haven't faced many opponents who have applied stress. I was starting to move away from Cassian as the pilot (although he's a great guy!). Maybe I need to reconsider. I've never had any ship with more than one stress.

At the moment I have been adding a Shield Upgrade or Stealth Device, which goes a little against your advice to keep them cheap. On reflection SD seems more suited to ships that are already more agile.

Also thinking of Jyn and Jan Ors to enable adding of focus and evades. Again though, not that cheap.

I definitely will keep flying the U-Wing just because it's so cool.

My only issue that its not a small or medium base ship.

2 hours ago, Hexdot said:

I like Bodhi. A lot. I am not a good shooter/ brawler/athlete. Not a pretty face. Not very smart. But I consider myself capable of choosing the "good" side if needed. Like Bodhi.

And not happy about him as a PS4 no EPT pilot. If one character in Rogue One deserves DETERMINATION EPT he is Bodhi. Not a mere blocker

So, before I start, I do want to say that I like Bodhi too for the same reasons. He's an average joe who basically had the job of a trucker and he chose to do the right thing, even though he was scared. To me, that description and what we see of his flying in Rogue One isn't indicate an ace. Now, it does suggest a decent pilot, which I do think ps 4 is in the "decent" tier of PS valuation.

Now, EPTs can be weird when it comes to who gets it and who doesn't. I probably would have said that Bodhi shouldn't get one before, but your Determination example has swayed me.

8 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

" Guys, the U-Wing is really good! I beat my 6 year old's Youngster-Markmanship build with it !!!" - Basement Ace

Whelp. I think I just found the name of my X-Wing podcast...

Should have been small base, with a better dial than the Upsilon.

If they had to go large base, giving it two side primary arcs, and no front arc, would have been an interesting design choice.

As it is ... *shakes head*.

1 hour ago, Punning Pundit said:

Whelp. I think I just found the name of my X-Wing podcast...

HEL-NAH... You. Immah gonna!

"Boss' Basement ACE-Wing-gahs... Elite!!!"

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Already got the soundtrack too...

10 hours ago, Koing907 said:

Say hello to my little friend.

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Can you imagine if you could put that on Biggs?

15 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

Mutha FAQing K2-S0!!!!!!!! Where are you! Did they even watch the film!

No, because it's quite clear that FFG was given earlier concept material when designing the U-Wing and weren't privy to all the details of the movie. The model and art on 'Inspiring Recruits' show this clearly as their U-Wing has front ramp (bit like a WW2 landing ship) and no side doors; which ended up being the final design.

11 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

No, because it's quite clear that FFG was given earlier concept material when designing the U-Wing and weren't privy to all the details of the movie. The model and art on 'Inspiring Recruits' show this clearly as their U-Wing has front ramp (bit like a WW2 landing ship) and no side doors; which ended up being the final design.

Way to ruin a joke, man.

of course I understand product lead time and the 'need' to get licensed items out to promote films, especially in the holiday setting, and how licensed product manufacturers must go on early production materials, sometimes inadvertently sacrificing accuracy in representing the final film.

still sucks tho.