To respond to the thread's title question, I fall firmly into both yes and no.

No I'm not tired of complaint threads because there are cards and ships in this game that need to be looked at seriously. Adjustments need to be made. Some folks are not having a good time. Where else do they get to voice their displeasure? That's what message boards are for. Let's be honest, if this place was full of sunshine, peaches, and roses, it'd get boring real quick. How many "this game rocks" or "x-wing is great" threads would go around before certain people got tired of seeing them? Complaint in and of itself isn't bad, it can lead to real constructive debate, and that's a good thing.

Yes, I'm tired of threads complaining about specific cards because there a few fundamental flaws with the game itself. Fix those, and you may not need card fixes.

6 minutes ago, Clancampbell said:

To respond to the thread's title question, I fall firmly into both yes and no.

No I'm not tired of complaint threads because there are cards and ships in this game that need to be looked at seriously. Adjustments need to be made. Some folks are not having a good time. Where else do they get to voice their displeasure? That's what message boards are for. Let's be honest, if this place was full of sunshine, peaches, and roses, it'd get boring real quick. How many "this game rocks" or "x-wing is great" threads would go around before certain people got tired of seeing them? Complaint in and of itself isn't bad, it can lead to real constructive debate, and that's a good thing.

Yes, I'm tired of threads complaining about specific cards because there a few fundamental flaws with the game itself. Fix those, and you may not need card fixes.

Peaches? Seriously??!! Gawd I hate peaches. I mean really, who wants to eat fruit that's fuzzy on the outside and has a rock in the middle?

7 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Peaches? Seriously??!! Gawd I hate peaches. I mean really, who wants to eat fruit that's fuzzy on the outside and has a rock in the middle?

Have you ever had a perfectly ripe peach? So sweet, delicious! Never mind the fuzz, do mind the "rock" in the middle.

39 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

FFG, who would have to better moderate the forums,

The last time I joined a gaming forum (and maybe this is an exception over at SJGames), there was a huge presence of all the writer and developers. Heck, sometimes they would even post direct thoughts about the game and the meaning of the rules. I really wish that somebody official would pop in here from time to time and just comment. Don't be a rules lawyer, don't spoil future releases, and certainly not answer directed questions like this is some sort of Q&A session. But just. . .be present. Even irregularly.

At SJGames I felt like those people, besides writing the rules, played and enjoyed the games they created and we were all experiencing. X-Wing feels like a game issued from an ivory tower with royal proclamations. I mean, do these guys even like the game, or is this just their day job?

Back in the Days when us Paint guys lost the Painting Forum.

Our posts moved over into this General Forum.

I soon noticed very quickly how......Well.....Grumpy a lot of X- Wingers are !

As good as it is, it's just a game.

Something to Enjoy and Have Fun.

Its Escapism from the Hum Drum.

Chance to be Kids again and play with Space ships !

If any of you guys ever get fed up of all the Moaning on here.......

Come And Visit the Painting and Modification Forum.

Everyone there is Enthusiastic, Inspirational and having Fun with the models to Enjoy a better Gaming Experience.

It's Great.......Although that might be partly due to being high on Glue and Paint Fumes !

Be Happy.

And Enjoy the Fact we get to play Star Wars on Weekends

28 minutes ago, Clancampbell said:

Have you ever had a perfectly ripe peach? So sweet, delicious! Never mind the fuzz, do mind the "rock" in the middle.

It's a joke that's not entirely a joke; I am not keen on peaches, perfect or no. OTOH, if peach cobbler was what was for dessert, I could certainly eat it.

And given that I'll eat haggis and tripe (with enthusiasm), it's not that I'm a finicky eater.

20 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

The last time I joined a gaming forum (and maybe this is an exception over at SJGames), there was a huge presence of all the writer and developers. Heck, sometimes they would even post direct thoughts about the game and the meaning of the rules. I really wish that somebody official would pop in here from time to time and just comment. Don't be a rules lawyer, don't spoil future releases, and certainly not answer directed questions like this is some sort of Q&A session. But just. . .be present. Even irregularly.

At SJGames I felt like those people, besides writing the rules, played and enjoyed the games they created and we were all experiencing. X-Wing feels like a game issued from an ivory tower with royal proclamations. I mean, do these guys even like the game, or is this just their day job?

These are points and questions that I think are fair, but I don't have an answer for. I wouldn't particularly hold it against the designers if they did avoid the forum. As I said before, parts of the forum resemble garbage fires, and there are stories from other industries where devs are attacked by angry commenters. In their shoes, I'm not sure I'd want even the possibility of that kind of drama.

They don't so much avoid it as are explicitly forbidden by policy.

6 minutes ago, Makaze said:

They don't so much avoid it as are explicitly forbidden by policy.

Well, that is simpler than my theory.

15 minutes ago, Makaze said:

They don't so much avoid it as are explicitly forbidden by policy.

8 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

Well, that is simpler than my theory.

And even more disappointing.

Just now, Darth Meanie said:

And even more disappointing.

I don't think so. It makes things simple and removes the possibility of a designer accidentally giving something away. But, it is definitely open to different opinions.

I'm really tired of the 'fix this' / 'nerf that' threads as it is increasingly obvious that these calls are actually just a plea by the poster to 'buff' his or her personal preferred play style or list.

There will also be an increasing tendency for players to howl for nerfs as and when they lose to certain matchups (despite X-Wing being a remarkably balanced game overall) because it's easier than accepting some match ups are just bad news.

I could complain about Ghost, TLT, Acc Corrector lists because those builds absolutely wreck what I prefer to fly; but I won't because I accept the fact that my preferred list isn't "top tier" and does have a really bad match up against TLT/AccC builds. That's just the game.

1 hour ago, SabineKey said:

The problem with going with a majority is that you rarely actually get the majority, but instead get caught up in the vocal minority. Look at politics for examples of this. As shown in some of the comments here, not everyone is participating in discussions because they view the discussions as mostly whining and name calling. Some of my personal friends whose opinion on X-Wing I value highly don't comment much anymore because they view most of the threads as garbage fires.

And finally (probably not a popular opinion, but I'm going with it anyway), people on a forum are not a good design committee. While there are individuals on here that have a good head for aspects of the game, have experience in game design, etc., there are more who have no background in game design and have a poor understanding of what the mechanics are intended to do. I've seen tons of posts saying that things would be better if x was changed to this, and they haven't even tested it.

In the end, I fear that trusting the majority would end in mob rule from people with questionable qualifications and more costs for FFG, who would have to better moderate the forums, and hire more analysts to compile and interpret the data.

You are completely correct on both points (emphasis mine), and I completely agree.

I'm not advocating for a mindless mob rule. Instead I think FFG would be well advised in being more proactive in communicating and asking for feedback. For example WotC releases almost weekly a new "unearthed arcana" D&D class, and every subsequent week they ask for feedback in a survey.

So, including the part I left out because I didn't think we'd ever discuss that much indepth (thanks for the discussion by the way!) I argue the following:

As a first step, FFG would have to adapt their communication strategy to a more proactive one, trying to get the most representative feedback they can. This could include a feedback form attached to every preview, or QR-codes distributed to TOs that lead to surveys. I'm sure they could come up with better ideas than me.
As a second step, FFG would be well advised to listen to the then established majority for the reasons I mentioned before.

The forum we currently have is not suitable, at all, to do that, we definitely agree on that point.

If you guys are tired of reading the main page, come on over to off topic. Specifically the Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes App thread, as there is a guild that all you fellow posters can join.

4 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Peaches? Seriously??!! Gawd I hate peaches. I mean really, who wants to eat fruit that's fuzzy on the outside and has a rock in the middle?

You must be crazy son. Nothing better in the whole world than a perfectly ripe juicy peach.

4 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

You are completely correct on both points (emphasis mine), and I completely agree.

I'm not advocating for a mindless mob rule. Instead I think FFG would be well advised in being more proactive in communicating and asking for feedback. For example WotC releases almost weekly a new "unearthed arcana" D&D class, and every subsequent week they ask for feedback in a survey.

So, including the part I left out because I didn't think we'd ever discuss that much indepth (thanks for the discussion by the way!) I argue the following:

As a first step, FFG would have to adapt their communication strategy to a more proactive one, trying to get the most representative feedback they can. This could include a feedback form attached to every preview, or QR-codes distributed to TOs that lead to surveys. I'm sure they could come up with better ideas than me.
As a second step, FFG would be well advised to listen to the then established majority for the reasons I mentioned before.

The forum we currently have is not suitable, at all, to do that, we definitely agree on that point.

As an additional source of data to monitor X-Wing's current state, this does sound like a good idea. More work for FFG, but potentially worthwhile. Part of me is still wary of it, but I recognize that it's mostly due to my pessimistic nature.

This has been an interesting conversation. Thank you.

2 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

You must be crazy son. Nothing better in the whole world than a perfectly ripe juicy peach.

EXCEPT a ripe juicy mango!

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WRT the OP: yes, a little... but it does help one to appreciate who's opinions are worth giving credence to, and who's aren't.

And, occasionally, some of those threads have been the spark for some good ideas on new mechanics or abilities.

52 minutes ago, ABXY said:

EXCEPT a ripe juicy mango!

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WRT the OP: yes, a little... but it does help one to appreciate who's opinions are worth giving credence to, and who's aren't.

And, occasionally, some of those threads have been the spark for some good ideas on new mechanics or abilities.

I'll give you that. It just seems like too many don't.

First of all: cherries

Second: to reply to the OP; It is good there is a place where people can vent their ideas for sure.

However, many of these posts point to a ship-/card- design as being the rootcause of their problems.

There are not many players who look at themselves or their style of play and dare to accept that ´some things are not for them´.

Many complaints go about one person demanding to be good with everything against everything at any particular moment during the game.

Which is impossible.

The designers at FFG are, frankly, insanely talented and experienced for creating a game with such balance and monitoring it as close as they possibly can to maintain such balance. Each errata is done after carefull consideration, not because person X screams the loudest he has been beaten, again, by a squad containing ship / upgrade A/B.

Keep up the good work FFG, you´re doing fine!

19 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

At SJGames I felt like those people, besides writing the rules, played and enjoyed the games they created and we were all experiencing. X-Wing feels like a game issued from an ivory tower with royal proclamations. I mean, do these guys even like the game, or is this just their day job?

Any time I hear the designers interviewed I come away with the impression of a couple of guys who really care about the work they're doing and are approaching the job in the right way. Obviously they make mistakes, and there are things in the game that aren't to my taste, but I'm a hundred percent convinced that they're honest mistakes that are coming from a place of trying to make the best game they can under circumstances they don't entirely control.

19 hours ago, SabineKey said:

Well, that is simpler than my theory.

For what it's worth, they have come out and said that at some point. FFG policy does not allow them to post to these forms. They can and do read them, I've seen Alex listed as reading threads before. But they can't comment.