Homing missiles are often an area of confusion for our group.

The state:

Attack [Target Lock]: Discard this card to perform this attack. The defender cannot spend evade tokens during this attack. Attack: 4. Range 2-3.

So what exactly do they stop. Let's make a list here. I can show it to my group.

Evade Tokens: Yes (obvious)

What else? People argue C3Po, but it says add evade to result, not a token.

Just trying to figure this out as we have had discussions on this before.

Thanks,

The card contains an exhaustive list of what Homing Missiles prohibits:

1. Spending Evade Tokens.

That's it.

There were some changes in the FAQ about things that add Evade results, such as C-3PO. I think they might have changed a time or two and even I'm not fully sure. If something adds an Evade result....is that an Evade token? Or is it a die? So....Latts Razzi? Is that a die result? Or a token? C-3PO....die or token? I thought they were added in as tokens as you can't re-roll them.

1 minute ago, heychadwick said:

There were some changes in the FAQ about things that add Evade results, such as C-3PO. I think they might have changed a time or two and even I'm not fully sure. If something adds an Evade result....is that an Evade token? Or is it a die? So....Latts Razzi? Is that a die result? Or a token? C-3PO....die or token? I thought they were added in as tokens as you can't re-roll them.

You can re-roll threepio's result with zuckuss, they're dice results, therefore, they are dice with a certain face showing

Adding a "result" is adding a die. Evade tokens are one way of adding an evade result. It does not follow that all methods of adding a result count as an evade token. WWHSD is entirely correct. I guess you could add range 3 bonus?

Just now, DeathstarII said:

You can re-roll threepio's result with zuckuss, they're dice results, therefore, they are dice with a certain face showing

It is? Then I think it changed. I could've sworn that they added things in as tokens at one point in time.

1 minute ago, heychadwick said:

It is? Then I think it changed. I could've sworn that they added things in as tokens at one point in time.

The change was quite a while ago and changed how an evade token worked. IIRC, way back when, an evade token was spent to cancel a hit or crit directly. It was changed so that the evade token added an evade result to your dice pool.

An Evade token adds an Evade result.

An Evade result does not add an Evade token.

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57 minutes ago, WWHSD said:

The card contains an exhaustive list of what Homing Missiles prohibits:

1. Spending Evade Tokens.

That's it.

Do what the card says. Do not do what the card doesn't say except when the faq says otherwise.

The confusion I think comes from people misunderstanding exactly what an evade token does. The evade token does NOT stop a hit or crit result on its own. People will put their ship's evade token out next to whatever their defense dice are showing to cancel a hit/crit, when that's not exactly what happens.

What actually happens is that you SPEND that evade token(put it back in the extra token pile) to ADD AN EVADE RESULT(green die with an evade symbol showing) to your already rolled dice pool. Homing missiles and Carnor Jax prevent the act of SPENDING THE TOKEN, not adding the result(die). If a result(die) can be added through other means(3po, etc), then it is not prevented.

53 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

The change was quite a while ago and changed how an evade token worked. IIRC, way back when, an evade token was spent to cancel a hit or crit directly. It was changed so that the evade token added an evade result to your dice pool.

I think it's this. I recall where getting a free Evade result was getting an Evade token. So, the change in the rules is sure to be confusing to people.

12 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Do what the card says. Do not do what the card doesn't say except when the faq says otherwise.

Except it wasn't always this way. It is OK to just read the card again, but it was different before.

6 minutes ago, Jturn314 said:

The confusion I think comes from people misunderstanding exactly what an evade token does. The evade token does NOT stop a hit or crit result on its own. People will put their ship's evade token out next to whatever their defense dice are showing to cancel a hit/crit, when that's not exactly what happens.

What actually happens is that you SPEND that evade token(put it back in the extra token pile) to ADD AN EVADE RESULT(green die with an evade symbol showing) to your already rolled dice pool. Homing missiles and Carnor Jax prevent the act of SPENDING THE TOKEN, not adding the result(die). If a result(die) can be added through other means(3po, etc), then it is not prevented.

This.

From the Rules Reference Guide, Page 10. When all else fails, read the rules.

2 minutes ago, heychadwick said:

I think it's this. I recall where getting a free Evade result was getting an Evade token. So, the change in the rules is sure to be confusing to people.

Except it wasn't always this way. It is OK to just read the card again, but it was different before.

I just dug out my old Rules of Play book from 2012, and on page 12 it states:

If the defender has an Evade token, he may return it to the action token supply to add one additional [Evade] result to his defense roll. So we've been spending Evade tokens to give an extra Evade roll since at least 2012...

Just now, Slugrage said:

I just dug out my old Rules of Play book from 2012, and on page 12 it states:

If the defender has an Evade token, he may return it to the action token supply to add one additional [Evade] result to his defense roll. So we've been spending Evade tokens to give an extra Evade roll since at least 2012...

No, that's not what I was referring to. You are talking about what does an Evade token mean. I was mentioning that there was a rule that said things that added Evade results were really adding Evade tokens....according to an old FAQ that has since been reversed. So....that's where a lot of the confusion comes from when it comes to adding in Evade results (like C-3PO).

I think this was around the time of wave 6 and crackshot? Evade results were FAQ'd to work differently and then eventually put back to normal... I think. Either that or both heychadwick and I are both crazy.

6 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

I think this was around the time of wave 6 and crackshot? Evade results were FAQ'd to work differently and then eventually put back to normal... I think. Either that or both heychadwick and I are both crazy.

I remember this too. So I guess were all crazy

Just now, eagletsi111 said:

I remember this too. So I guess were all crazy

yay?

Mama we're all crazy now

42 minutes ago, heychadwick said:

I think it's this. I recall where getting a free Evade result was getting an Evade token. So, the change in the rules is sure to be confusing to people.

Except it wasn't always this way. It is OK to just read the card again, but it was different before.

Umm. No.

It always blocked the spending of evade tokens and ONLY the spending of evade tokens. THings which work similarly to evade tokens are not evade tokens and never have been.

11 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Umm. No.

It always blocked the spending of evade tokens and ONLY the spending of evade tokens. THings which work similarly to evade tokens are not evade tokens and never have been.

It's more what was an Evade token. It used to be that free Evade results were treated as Evade tokens. It's not that anymore, so it's OK. It's really a pointless discussion, though. Just call me mad and move on.

Your mad.

Move along... move along

4 hours ago, heychadwick said:

It's more what was an Evade token. It used to be that free Evade results were treated as Evade tokens. It's not that anymore, so it's OK. It's really a pointless discussion, though. Just call me mad and move on.

I'm... not sure that's accurate but w/e

Either way, it's not any more.

Ok. So only tokens it is then.

Got it

It's like an ancient chinese riddle - "When is an evade token not a token" or somesuch up in here.

Either way, I think the discussion was moot - Homing Missile only stops spending evade tokens. If other stuff adds or counts as adding evade tokens, that's on that card, not on homing missiles.