These are all good points from Spaceinvader and Stayonleader - so we can say that triple Loks will be noticeably weaker in some respects than triple scouts were at their prenerf peak.

... Where will it be stronger do you think? I can see these...

- Range 1 primaries discourage the 'lunge' to avoid ordnance

- Boba/GC synergy

- Small base maneuvering is a huge plus

- Much less collision prone, as above, but with collision detector and debris as standard

- better MoV

- Much better slow roll with 1 straight? ( assumption)

Remember, only one can take Collision Detector.

Also, a Scout could take Boba and Guidance Chimps, so that's not new.

It makes a much worse Torp boat but a better bomber. Bomb slots and Turret slot are key points of difference, the Torp slot is only there to EM your bombs.

TBH of the dial is ok just run it naked as a B-Wing equivalent

2 minutes ago, ObiWonka said:

Remember, only one can take Collision Detector.

Also, a Scout could take Boba and Guidance Chimps, so that's not new.

A Scout could do that but it doesn't get an autocrit, even with Protons. This does.

I can see it being a capable missile boat and a capable turret kite, but unless there's some really special pilot abilities and/or Mine Map/Bomblet Generator are AMAZING, it'll be the same mediocre bomber as everything other than the K Wing and Deathfire, because it won't be able to get move + reposition to do it.

2 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

TBH of the dial is ok just run it naked as a B-Wing equivalent

I mean you COULD but why WOULD you? It's not like naked B Wing equivalents are... you know, good.

Agreed in principle. 2pt more for two hull is decent efficiency, the scum have better cheap crew and the dial could better though.

Mm, given that it has a T-Roll I'm very much hoping the dial will be good. Maybe even green-turns good.

But from the new wave if you want a B Wing replacement, the ship to get is the Auzituck, not this. Reinforce and some way to still get mods when you do is how to make B Wing equivalents work i think.

13 hours ago, John Rainbow said:

It also looks like it has some sort of unique bomb upgrade in the second row of upgrade cards. I see "Bom... Gener...".

7 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Mm, given that it has a T-Roll I'm very much hoping the dial will be good. Maybe even green-turns good.

But from the new wave if you want a B Wing replacement, the ship to get is the Auzituck, not this. Reinforce and some way to still get mods when you do is how to make B Wing equivalents work i think.

There's no reason for it to have green turns. I sincerely hope it's essentially a Bomber-type dial but with t-rolls. As I said at the beginning of the thread, it's otherwise close to the mark in terms of power level compared to TIE Bombers.

4x Auzituck + Wookiee Commandos seems decent if you can concentrate fire.

I'm hoping at least it won't have RED turns.

4 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

I'm hoping at least it won't have RED turns.

I'm hoping for at least one pair of white turns! No more space cows please.

Well yeah, the white turns are kind of implied there.

I'd be shocked if they ever release another ship without a white turn of some speed TBH.

34 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

TBH of the dial is ok just run it naked as a B-Wing equivalent

At least but a turret on it. There no sense in limiting yourself to just the primary arc. I hear TLTs are OP now ?

13 minutes ago, Voitek said:

-> Clonewars era ships confirmed!

Just now, GrimmyV said:

At least but a turret on it. There no sense in limiting yourself to just the primary arc. I hear TLTs are OP now ?

Hampers how many you can spam into a list, but it's a definite option.

Not really. 3 of them with TLT and Tactician or something similar will fit just as well as it did with K Wings. These will at least have a donut hole. You can fit three of them with any current turret upgrade and plenty of room to spare.

Hmmmm... what if Minelaying Map lets you drop some action-bombs during setup then make friendly ships immune to those bombs? That could be a really interesting way of controlling enemy flight paths.

11 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

Hampers how many you can spam into a list, but it's a definite option.

You can build a competent 3-Scuurg turret list.

Scurrg PS1, TLT, title, fire-control system, R4-B11 @35
Scurrg PS1, TLT, Tactician @32
Scurrg PS1, TLT, Dengar @33

You have really strong jousting potential with 3 red dice on the front, you have some great action efficiency (FCs and dengar), you can hurt flankers or aces properly with R4-B11, and you even have a stressbot. And in comparision to Y-wing swarm yes, you loose some firepower, but you have 2 more HP on each ship (SHIELDS! So crit resistance) and most likely much better dial.

The statline on the 24pt model is fun. Anyone else just wanna be stupid and like....put 4-L0M, Zuckuss, Greedo and Boba Fett in 4 of these, toss 'em on the table and see what happens? 'Cause sometimes 40HP is 40HP. /shrug

Yup.

From experience, just chucking out the maximum possible HP can be a lot of fun.

But as noted upthread I suspect doing the same with Auzitucks will be better.

as much as i know that Bombad General is a joke i honestly wish it was true just to see the amount of salt/hatred that flows from people when they learn JarJar got in before Obiwan or Yoda rofl

Tie bomber + upsilon coordinate action for bomb dropping .... wait, wrong thread, sorry.

32 minutes ago, CBMarkham said:

The statline on the 24pt model is fun. Anyone else just wanna be stupid and like....put 4-L0M, Zuckuss, Greedo and Boba Fett in 4 of these, toss 'em on the table and see what happens? 'Cause sometimes 40HP is 40HP. /shrug

That's what I'm saying, but fun is an understatement.

I'll bet the dial is better than the Imps equal upgrade bar ordinance carrier's dial, oh wait, there isn't one. So strike that. I'll bet the dial for this ship is better than the Imps inferior upgrade bar ordinance carriers dial.

The power-creep in this ship seems to bear striking resemblance to the effects elicited upon our world by the Jump-master. I fear this ship too will borderline power-creep ridiculousness.

At least Scum will get their Miranda.

Gonk. Gonk. Gonkelias goikkeli.