Ok so I've been wanting to try this out for a while and I may get the chance in a couple of days. I know it's brittle as hell but it should hit equally hard. What do you think -

Rear Admiral Chiraneau, VI, Gunner, Hot shot copilot, Kylo Ren, Engine upgrade = 64pts

Darth Vader, A score to settle, Title, Advanced targeting computer, Engine upgrade = 34pts

So Kylo give his condition to Vaders 'a score to settle' target then Vader, or RAC, get a crit through on the target. Shouldn't be too hard, with RAC stripping defence tokens with Hot cop plus his ability and Vader always rolling at least one crit, hopefully two. Then just search out the pilot skill 0 crit and Vader should be able to dance around them for the rest of the game, or until it's time to finish them. Or something like that...

A bit gimmicky maybe, but there may be something in this list. Plus there are a few points spare that could be used for something other than an initiative bid

My first thought would be to ditch ASTS on Vader, since he already gets the ATC critical to push through Kylo effects, and to throw something like Determination or Adaptability/VI on to protect against counter-Kyloing. Higher PS would also give you PS advantage over common 2-ship-list sidekicks like Whisper, VI Backdraft, and Quickdraw and key reposition options against the likes of Fenn Rau.

Double crits is obviously awesome, but giving free mods against Vader seems counter-productive if things don't go as planned and he benefits more directly from other cheap EPT options.

This is pretty net list, I fought against 2 lists like this at a teams event recently. People are going to be building against Kylo more and more. It is uninteresting to fly against, it will get killed by ordnance, maybe Wolf Pack will be back as well as 4+ ship builds. A friend flew 5 AT Squints against this kind of list, smashed it to pieces, didnt lose a ship.

Kylo is dull combined with a PWT, may as well get a bot to play for you.

No real advice, but I love me a crit list!

VI Gunner HotCoP Kylo Engine is 63, just for the record.

And without Dauntless you're super vulnerable to being bumped.

Personally i don't rate Kylo either for fun for myself or my opponents or particularly for effectiveness, and I'd much rather bring Rebel Captive or Vader crew in the same slot and cost.

So I haven't been on the forum for a while and have been looking at some similar lists on here.

I thought I had come up with something original and cool. It turns out that it's totally unoriginal and so uncool that people really dislike it.

I'm much more into the fun match ups and cool interactions so I guess it's back to the drawing board.

What about triple Defenders...no, wait...!