Did I say Party Bossk? I did not

You can probably get away with just K4 on him, but recently I've been making excellent play with K4 and Dengar. Getting fully modified Cluster Missiles with Scavenger Crane and no setup round is so nice.

I'm certainly willing to try it, but I'm not sure it's worth it.

Not to mention that in that instance I'm using only Crane for illicits and I don't think that's worth having Jabba to regen it when it breaks. I'm relying on Ketsu to guard bossk's rear, and she's pretty good at it.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

Did I say Party Bossk? I did not

You can probably get away with just K4 on him, but recently I've been making excellent play with K4 and Dengar. Getting fully modified Cluster Missiles with Scavenger Crane and no setup round is so nice.

I'm certainly willing to try it, but I'm not sure it's worth it.

Not to mention that in that instance I'm using only Crane for illicits and I don't think that's worth having Jabba to regen it when it breaks. I'm relying on Ketsu to guard bossk's rear, and she's pretty good at it.

It's just another build, if you want to play it different.

Jabba should read: "..when you are instructed to discard an Upgrade card ON ANY FRIENDLY SHIP ..". /facepalm

16 hours ago, Vineheart01 said:

well, they are a single card/template out of a 40USD box. By nature, even if they were utter trash and nobody wanted them, they'd cost a fair bit to get. Its still vaaaaaastly cheaper than multiple Lancers (which i will never do since the literal only ways ive found to make the Lancer deadly involve unique cards, and in one way or another they share the same unique card or would be too expensive in the end)

Though not tournament legal you could just trace the debris cloud token from the lancer (if you have one) onto some card board cut and have place holder tokens. The important thing is its the right shape and dimensions.

Just now, Phoenix5454 said:

Though not tournament legal you could just trace the debris cloud token from the lancer (if you have one) onto some card board cut and have place holder tokens. The important thing is its the right shape and dimensions.

I actually did that with clusters for awhile. It bugs the hell out of me that FFG doesnt offer bombs/tokens outside of a ship box. Im not sure how tournaments view them now since i havnt tried since i got them but i know they used to not even allow the acrylic bombs. Which makes it annoying to get that many cardboards. We have atleast 3 ways to get more lasting templates on the table than we have purchased upgrades for (EM, Crane, and now Jabba for Chutes).

8 minutes ago, D00kies said:

Jabba should read: "..when you are instructed to discard an Upgrade card ON A FRIENDLY SHIP ..". /facepalm

Actually it should read 'when a friendly ship is instructed to discard...' otherwise with your wording it STILL only works on Jabba's ship.

Just now, Vineheart01 said:

I actually did that with clusters for awhile. It bugs the hell out of me that FFG doesnt offer bombs/tokens outside of a ship box. Im not sure how tournaments view them now since i havnt tried since i got them but i know they used to not even allow the acrylic bombs. Which makes it annoying to get that many cardboards. We have atleast 3 ways to get more lasting templates on the table than we have purchased upgrades for (EM, Crane, and now Jabba for Chutes).

Chutes are the particularly annoying one since it looks unlikely they'll be released in anything else for QUITE some time (not in Wave 11, not in the CROC, next Scum box is probably Kihraxz and StarViper so not there either... the only source for them for probably at least a year is the Shadow Caster. And you can potentially drop SIX of them now.

Hopefully they'll be a tourney prize soon.

2 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

I actually did that with clusters for awhile. It bugs the hell out of me that FFG doesnt offer bombs/tokens outside of a ship box. Im not sure how tournaments view them now since i havnt tried since i got them but i know they used to not even allow the acrylic bombs. Which makes it annoying to get that many cardboards. We have atleast 3 ways to get more lasting templates on the table than we have purchased upgrades for (EM, Crane, and now Jabba for Chutes).

I hope we may see a large ship not yet announced with wave 11 that can carry Jabba and will have extras of the tokens we need because of his ability...

But that's probably a pipe dream...

5 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Actually it should read 'when a friendly ship is instructed to discard...' otherwise with your wording it STILL only works on Jabba's ship.

Yeah, that would be cleaner.

Actually that makes me think of a more interesting possible wording for him: during the Place Forces step place a number of illicit tokens on this card equal to the number of illict upgrades in your squad. WHen a friendly ship is instructed to discard an illicit upgrade, you may discard an illicit token from this card instead.

Now he works more than twice on the same upgrade (making e.g. Cloaking Devices work a lot more reliably for a lot longer), gains bennies for using non-discard illicits, and isn't wasted if for whatever reason you don't discard your illicit twice, as long as you use another one a bunch.

Sigh, shame this was not to be.

11 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

OTOH, in MTG I suspect the new wording shows up with new art in the next release cycle. X-Wing just gets another red splash in an already-too-long FAQ.

You are right with regard to reprints. They are an opportunity for updated wording and may or may not get new art, but there are many older cards that have not been reprinted and whose official text on the website is very different from the text printed on the physical card.

The FAQ for X-Wing is too long, though, and too many interactions are ad hoc rather than fitting neatly into the basic rules. I'm just saying that I think this tends to happen with young games that expand and it certainly did with Magic and continued to happen even after quite a few years if it isn't still happening. I'd like to see a rules rewrite for X-Wing and some updated card packs (not to start another 2.0 thread)(and, please, no more 'how to play' and separate 'rules reference' books that, together with FAQ and errata, make things hard to find).

The wording on Jabba is fine. The card has two parts.

Part one: place one illicit token on every illicit in your squad. Thats Jabbas part.

Second part: Second part just tells you how the illicit token works. The You is referring to the ship using its illicit, so that could be any ship with an illicit in your squad.

Crisis over.

Just now, Dwing said:

The wording on Jabba is fine. The card has two parts.

Part one: place one illicit token on every illicit in your squad. Thats Jabbas part.

Second part: Second part just tells you how the illicit token works. The You is referring to the ship using its illicit, so that could be any ship with an illicit in your squad.

Crisis over.

Except that's not how the game works; 'you' on an upgrade card *always* refers *only* to the ship to which that card is equipped.

That's why they had to change the Palp errata a week after release, and that's why this will get day 1 errata too, unless I miss my guess.

But part 2 is just explaining how the token work. So the "You" applies to whatever ship has the token.

3 minutes ago, Dwing said:

But part 2 is just explaining how the token work. So the "You" applies to whatever ship has the token.

"You" is always the ship that an upgrade/condition/damage card is assigned/equipped to, so it doesn't matter if it means another ship, RAW jabba only works on himself

its another one of those things that was sloppy on FFG's part. We all know the intent of the card (theres 0 point in putting the tokens on other ships as well if the token only works on yours ) but its still annoying to have inconsistent rules like that.

Nobody would ever try and argue other ships cant use the tokens because of the sloppy use of "you" - its painfully obvious its suppose to work. Its just one of those "well RAW its a broken and useless card" - believe me, FFG is nowhere near as bad as other miniature companies with that crap, and the community usually ignores such a thing (R3A2 had this when the timing chart popped up, i dont remember ANYONE complaining about R3A2 not working, even though it did get fixed to allow R3A2 to work)

Alright, I'm out

1 hour ago, Vineheart01 said:

its another one of those things that was sloppy on FFG's part. We all know the intent of the card (theres 0 point in putting the tokens on other ships as well if the token only works on yours ) but its still annoying to have inconsistent rules like that.

Nobody would ever try and argue other ships cant use the tokens because of the sloppy use of "you" - its painfully obvious its suppose to work. Its just one of those "well RAW its a broken and useless card" - believe me, FFG is nowhere near as bad as other miniature companies with that crap, and the community usually ignores such a thing (R3A2 had this when the timing chart popped up, i dont remember ANYONE complaining about R3A2 not working, even though it did get fixed to allow R3A2 to work)

Indeed. Pointing out that the writing is bad doesn't mean I'd ever play it as such. But pointing it out might get it fixed.

Soo...

There seems to be a consensus that he is not broken like PalP, therefore he sucks....

The thing is that if he were on the high end of competitivity for 100pts (with a cheaper cost), he would be broken in 300pt epic, given his ability. As he comes on an epic ship, that would be stupid....

I think that he will find his way into niche 100pt builds, but won´t dominate; pretty much as the Emperor should have been in the first place.

2 hours ago, Larky Bobble said:

Soo...

There seems to be a consensus that he is not broken like PalP, therefore he sucks....

The thing is that if he were on the high end of competitivity for 100pts (with a cheaper cost), he would be broken in 300pt epic, given his ability. As he comes on an epic ship, that would be stupid....

I think that he will find his way into niche 100pt builds, but won´t dominate; pretty much as the Emperor should have been in the first place.

Gotta disagree with you there. Palp worked as designed, as evidenced by him being untouched for nearly two years. He was taken down a peg to try to keep things even and shake things up.

8 hours ago, Larky Bobble said:

I think that he will find his way into niche 100pt builds, but won´t dominate; pretty much as the Emperor should have been in the first place.

This is basically my feeling. I've thought of a couple of lists using him already that I'd like to try out, but he's not going to be outstanding. And both of them involve using him to double a HSB to guard the YV's butt. One puts him on Bossk alongside Ketsu with VI/Stim/Stim to replace her PTL, the other just fills out the rest of the list with Dengar crew and 4 HSB Zs. Just drown the board in 3 die turrets.

5 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

This is basically my feeling. I've thought of a couple of lists using him already that I'd like to try out, but he's not going to be outstanding. And both of them involve using him to double a HSB to guard the YV's butt. One puts him on Bossk alongside Ketsu with VI/Stim/Stim to replace her PTL, the other just fills out the rest of the list with Dengar crew and 4 HSB Zs. Just drown the board in 3 die turrets.

If he could go aboard the Shadow caster (errata the title card) he could find a place in competitive play. It is hard to imagine that the largest scum model is too small for Jabba yet a smaller model has room to spare. Also the Shadow caster would be so much better for Jabba with 2 illicit slots instead of only a single one.

Palps fix was to hard and came at at time where he was used less anyways. Two seats and 8 points. Go ahead be a great upgrade.

I probably won't play Jabba. I think he is cool and well balanced, I just don't like the YV that much. Given another carrier for Jabba might change that.

I like Jabba for the fact he brings focus to what used to be one of the faction defining abilities: The Illicit slot. I have been puzzled why it was more the pilots (Manaroo, Asaj, Dengar, Fenn, Brobots), crew (Zuckuss, Dengar, 4-LOM, Latts) and Epts (Attani Mindlink, Fearlessness) which made Scum "Top-tier" - and not the Illicit slot.