5 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

kfighters dont. Prior to the Protectorate...maybe they did...but unless a new illicit comes out that the kfighter actually WANTS theres 0 reason to take it over a protectorate. Cost of 1 shield for +1 agi, auto evade facetoface, boost, barrelroll, 2troll, 2green turns, and a 5fwd...not to mention vastly better abilities.

I'll say that there is difference enough in a non-100 pt game. The Kihraxz Fighter has the Missile slot instead of the Torpedo slot and it also has the Illicit slot, which the Fang Fighter doesn't have. Also, they are the same price without Auto Thrusters, so can't really include them in the base comparison. Or...if you do...then you say the Kihraxz is cheaper by 2 pts, but doesn't have it. It is important at times. Same for the title. So....at base points, they are pretty close. The Fang Fighter is more maneuverable, but the Kihraxz has that extra Shield. I think they are also fluff wise different. If you want to play a game where one side is a bunch of Scum and pirates, you probably aren't going to put the Mandolorian ship in there.

Oh, also, the Tie Punisher has a place beyond 100 pt games.

13 hours ago, Cubanboy said:

First Happy Friday and great weekend to everyone.

After listing to some excellent podcasts today, it got me thinking about a question. Does every ship have a place still in the game? (ether causal or tournament) Let me draw some definition, For example, I am not saying If we give the B-wing a title and a point reduction all is well, I am asking does the B-wing still have a place in X-wing. Off the top of my head, T-65, Kihraxz, Imp Firespray (which maybe should never have been part of the imps)?

Don't get me wrong I love collecting ships and I love the T-65 but it makes me wonder if they still have a place past just feeling like they need to be in the game?

BBZZY list made it to the final game on one of this season's Open Series. Yes, Bwing are still viable - blue squadron with FCS is a decent, cheap workhorse for a rebel list.

Kihraxes and Starvipers are completely eradicated by the Fang Fighters. Scyks have their place - if you compare Scyk with title ang Mangler to a cheapest kihrax, you wil see the titled scyk is just straight beter.

Punishers are non existing.

Even Rebel Hawks are seeying some play in high tables - Jan+Rey or Jan+Miranda+Airen alpha strike list is not a common sight but it's surfacing every now and then.

All ships still have a role, although not all at going to be able to compete well at the highest level. For instance, the T-65 and B-wing, which don't have a great role in high level competition, still have a place as a jouster (its more that joust lists are not flexible enough to win a tourney). However, the wookie fighter will be the final nail in the B-wing coffin.

1 minute ago, PastrySandwich said:

All ships still have a role, although not all at going to be able to compete well at the highest level. For instance, the T-65 and B-wing, which don't have a great role in high level competition, still have a place as a jouster (its more that joust lists are not flexible enough to win a tourney). However, the wookie fighter will be the final nail in the B-wing coffin.

T-65 does not have a place? Tell this to Mr. Darklighter!

28 minutes ago, Voitek said:

T-65 does not have a place? Tell this to Mr. Darklighter!

What about a T-65 not called Lord Darklighter the mustachioed hero of the Rebellion?

-Wedge? Wes? Luke? Red Squadron Pilot? Bueller? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

11 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

I played against 4 SVipers last night. Nice greens, nice reds. Light on the shields and crazy unique pilots abilities*, but otherwise a dependable ship.

I think the T-65 suffers in the old vs. new department. I think an X-Wing designed now would look a lot different in play than it does currently. It might be the one Rebel ship that I think could be allowed the Evade action, or 1 more green, or the barrel roll**. I think the lore supports this. And, I think a series of Titles (since there are many X-Wing variants) that makes a player decide which of the 3 they might want on the cheap would make the X-Wing more interesting overall.

*Which is probably why they do not show up in tournament.

**Sure the X-Wing can take VT, but then it forgoes GC, which is a bummer if you wanted torps.

Titles for the T-65 would help. I'm still holding out hope that we'll get a new kind of upgrade in Squadron bonuses. For T-65s, you could have Red Squadron, Rogue Squadron, and maybe pair 'em with a U-Wing for Blue. The thing is, what ever they do to boost the t-65, it can't make the t-70 obsolete either.

9 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

What about a T-65 not called Lord Darklighter the mustachioed hero of the Rebellion?

-Wedge? Wes? Luke? Red Squadron Pilot? Bueller? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

They do need help, but considering that there are other ships that don't even have someone like Biggs to represent them in higher level play kinda places them ahead of the T-65 in the fix queue.

Just now, SabineKey said:

They do need help, but considering that there are other ships that don't even have someone like Biggs to represent them in higher level play kinda places them ahead of the T-65 in the fix queue.

Right, the X-Wing miniatures game should feature the Kgjhrugjghcskcjmnxnfvkrsvcmghk fighter that I remember so fondly from watching the OT as a child.

there are plenty of ships that are purely flown because of 1 pilot, how is biggs any different?

When was the last time you saw a TAP that wasnt Inqy?
Or TIE/FO that wasnt Omega Leader?
Or TIE/Adv that wasnt Vader?
Or YT2400 that wasnt Dash?
Or a rebel ywing that wasnt a Gold generic?
Or a Starviper that wasnt Guri?

i could probably go on but i've made my point.

3 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

Right, the X-Wing miniatures game should feature the Kgjhrugjghcskcjmnxnfvkrsvcmghk fighter that I remember so fondly from watching the OT as a child.

No, it should feature ships that all have at least one competitively viable version of it. And the k-fighter is only Scum, so it won't replace the X-Wing. Again, Biggs is out there. Yes, I want the other pilots (Wedge in particular) to get some loving, but from a game play standpoint, I'd rather FFG get all ships up to viability, then refine some boardline cases. Classic triage.

1 hour ago, Vineheart01 said:

kfighters dont. Prior to the Protectorate...maybe they did...but unless a new illicit comes out that the kfighter actually WANTS theres 0 reason to take it over a protectorate. Cost of 1 shield for +1 agi, auto evade facetoface, boost, barrelroll, 2troll, 2green turns, and a 5fwd...not to mention vastly better abilities.

Punishers really dont atm, but come unguided missiles they might have a resurgence to atleast casual levels.

Thats about it really. Lambda/uwing are close but even they have uses

Being able to drop 5 heavy hitters on the table is fun. Can't do it with the X-Wing. I really think that the Khiraxz can be a serious threat to many builds. I'm not talking final table at Worlds level threat but at places where "net lists" aren't used. Like the flgs.

Yeah, but you can have more fun with 5 Zealous Recruits. If winning doesn't matter, the lost of the 1 PS and the one shield isn't really that important compared to the unparalleled joy that is Boost/BR. And the Protectorate has Tallon Rolls and Green Turns. Also, they look kind of like Vic Vipers from Gradius (And the second Zone of the Enders if I want to make an obscure reference).

In a 100/6 game, the punisher just isn't viable and is the ship that has no place whatsoever. A bomber can do everything better for a lot less points. Deathrain is probably the coolest dude of the bunch, but Deathfire for 10+ points cheaper build, is just more efficient for your squad. There is nothing for a punisher in 100/6 except wasted points.

The HWK will always be game-worthy because they have some of the best abilities in the game and the generic is the cheapest TLT carrier.

1 hour ago, Vineheart01 said:

there are plenty of ships that are purely flown because of 1 pilot, how is biggs any different?

When was the last time you saw a TAP that wasnt Inqy?
Or TIE/FO that wasnt Omega Leader?
Or TIE/Adv that wasnt Vader?
Or YT2400 that wasnt Dash?
Or a rebel ywing that wasnt a Gold generic?
Or a Starviper that wasnt Guri?

i could probably go on but i've made my point.

Can you name another Tie/Fo pilot from the films?

Can you name another name Tie/Adv pilot from the films?

Can you name another name YT-2400 pilot from the films?

Can you name another Y-Wing pilot (other than Dutch) from the films?

Can you name another name Starviper pilot from the films

I think that was the point being made about the T-65 that has a few more than just Biggs that anyone could name.

1 hour ago, SabineKey said:

Titles for the T-65 would help. I'm still holding out hope that we'll get a new kind of upgrade in Squadron bonuses. For T-65s, you could have Red Squadron, Rogue Squadron, and maybe pair 'em with a U-Wing for Blue. The thing is, what ever they do to boost the t-65, it can't make the t-70 obsolete either.

It will be the moment I've been waiting for. Personally, I would say we should all mutiny if there is no gunboat or squadrons for Wave 12.

1 hour ago, BlodVargarna said:

Right, the X-Wing miniatures game should feature the Kgjhrugjghcskcjmnxnfvkrsvcmghk fighter that I remember so fondly from watching the OT as a child.

Warm and fuzzy feelings of nostalgia = fluff. Fluff has no place in the cold darkness of the X-Wing Miniatures space game.

1 hour ago, BlodVargarna said:

What about a T-65 not called Lord Darklighter the mustachioed hero of the Rebellion?

-Wedge? Wes? Luke? Red Squadron Pilot? Bueller? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Before we see Sgt Ferris Bueller, I want (speaking of nostalgia):

8 hours ago, DarthRossi said:

Can you name another Tie/Fo pilot from the films?

Can you name another name Tie/Adv pilot from the films?

Can you name another name YT-2400 pilot from the films?

Can you name another Y-Wing pilot (other than Dutch) from the films?

Can you name another name Starviper pilot from the films

I think that was the point being made about the T-65 that has a few more than just Biggs that anyone could name.

The annoying thing with T-65s is that a lot of them have abilities that are just a droid+ept combo away from making them incredible but unlike nearly every other ship in the game they lack the ept slot on their mid range named pilots. Unfortunately it is going to be really hard to make Luke competitive again as his ability is the same as Poe's except only for defense and requiring an action.

11 hours ago, Princezilla said:

The annoying thing with T-65s is that a lot of them have abilities that are just a droid+ept combo away from making them incredible but unlike nearly every other ship in the game they lack the ept slot on their mid range named pilots. Unfortunately it is going to be really hard to make Luke competitive again as his ability is the same as Poe's except only for defense and requiring an action.

Agreed. Hopefully with some of the pilots it just makes more sense to update/upgrade the ability than tweaking something that's really just not working. HotR Han is a great example.