1 hour ago, Phoenix5454 said:

What I was getting at is that the Star Jewel is a large enough ship to have separate fore and aft pilot cards like the Raider and CR-90 which is what the next epic scum ship will most likely have to be so that all three factions have access to an epic ship with those qualities...

not sure what you're getting at since its clearly known that all epic ships except the gozanti are"scaled to feel" and not the games normal 1/270.

I think we are on the same page regarding Star Jewel.

I really want the Star Jewel, but if they had any inkling of planning it, I can't see that they wouldn't have saved Jabba for it...

2 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:

It was made to be the Scum X-Wing. But it doesn't even get Astros. So basically FFG shot themselves in the foot, basing it on a frame which already a nebulous all-rounder.

the kfighter is horribly inferior to the xwing in every way except attack potential. Ive flown even rookie pilot xwings to great effect, i cant get the kfighter to do a dang thing because it has no actions or slots to fix the lack of actions. I put VTs on it because im forced to, the barrelroll really helps but not enough. And because it has more hull than shields it tends to eat crits more often, since typically the first time my xwings suffer a crit the 2nd shield tanks the crit rather than my face.

I DONT think xwings are bad, and personally i find t70s to be better despite common opinion being both suck and t70s are too expensive. Its kinda rare for me to play rebels without one in the list. And yet i cant get the kfighter to even feel remotely useful. It definitely is not a scum xwing, if that was their intention wow they failed on that one. Illicits offer some neat tricks but almost all of them have some major drawback that cripple the kfighter more than it helps.

I wonder how much Pulsed Ray Shields do for the Kihraxz? Probably not enough, but regen and a 1 straight are a boon...

im probably going to try it but something tells me the loss of BRoll will be more painful than the slight regen will be beneficial.

26 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

the kfighter is horribly inferior to the xwing in every way except attack potential. Ive flown even rookie pilot xwings to great effect, i cant get the kfighter to do a dang thing because it has no actions or slots to fix the lack of actions. I put VTs on it because im forced to, the barrelroll really helps but not enough. And because it has more hull than shields it tends to eat crits more often, since typically the first time my xwings suffer a crit the 2nd shield tanks the crit rather than my face.

I DONT think xwings are bad, and personally i find t70s to be better despite common opinion being both suck and t70s are too expensive. Its kinda rare for me to play rebels without one in the list. And yet i cant get the kfighter to even feel remotely useful. It definitely is not a scum xwing, if that was their intention wow they failed on that one. Illicits offer some neat tricks but almost all of them have some major drawback that cripple the kfighter more than it helps.

Well, that's kind of the point I'm making. X-Wings and K-fighters are similar in underlying capability. They have a similar cost, same action bar, same attack power and agi, and same total health. Their dials are similar, Ks have more green, the 5k and 1 turns, but lose 3 turns and the 1 forward. The product description explicitly mentions being inspired by the X-Wing even though that's not really a huge deal in the prior fluff.

But, the Kihraxz lacks the astromech slot which is the one way Xs really gain back for the fact that they also lack actions/efficiency. Salvaged astros have several options (and would have had several more) which could help a K. They also couldn't regen until PRS. But they get illicits instead, which make for fun tricks but none so far have been really optimal on the Kihraxz platform. Maybe scavenger crane to get bonus missile Kihraxz. So yeah, it feels like FFG tried too hard to fill the role the X-Wing has for Rebels only the Kihraxz didn't actually get the one trick X-Wings do really have.

If they wanted me to say it Tan-tuh-vee, they should have spelled it Tantavie. Since they didn't, it's pronounced Tan-tive - as in it rhymes with pan-give. Or maybe pan-hive, but I prefer pan-give.

1 hour ago, UnitOmega said:

It was made to be the Scum X-Wing. But it doesn't even get Astros. So basically FFG shot themselves in the foot, basing it on a frame which already a nebulous all-rounder.

In SWG it gets a flight computer instead. But everything gets either an astromech or flight computer, so they all have access to the same abilities regardless of faction.

Imperial pilots even need an astromech if they plan to fly their ETA-2.

6 hours ago, ObiWonka said:

I know that's the correct pronunciation of Tan-tuh-vee, but I've literally never heard anyone say it that way.

Steve Wilhite is plain and simply wrong.

Yeah, it's been Tan-tuh-vee since the 1980 radio drama.

7 hours ago, gamblertuba said:

My sarcasm detector is not functioning properly...

It's somewhere in this video. Not sure on time stamp and cannot check right now. If you want to argue against Pablo Hidalgo and Leland Chee, be my guest. (Apparently, you won't listen to Steve Wilhite about GIF so whatevs)

At about 21:21, for those who want to hear it for yourselves.

7 hours ago, Vineheart01 said:

the kfighter is horribly inferior to the xwing in every way except attack potential...

LOL, no.

Same attack value. Same evade value. Same base health (weighted in favour or hull over shields). Illicit slot instead of Astromech. Better dial. Generics with access to Elite Talents (and Mindlink). Cheaper.

Point for point, Kihraxz are simply superior ships. There's not a huge amount in it, but even with Integrated Astromech the K's come out on top.

The ONLY place X-Wings come out on top over the Kihraxz is a couple of superior named pilot abilities (mainly Biggs and Wes, but Tarn deserves a shout). That's only to be expected when the X's have four times as many named pilots.

Prior to IA kfighters were superior to x-wings IMO since they were a point cheaper, and had arguably a better dial.

But now thanks to IA they're a bit behind as they have one less health and a worse dial for just 2 points less assuming the x-wing takes R2 astromech.

9 hours ago, Vineheart01 said:

im probably going to try it but something tells me the loss of BRoll will be more painful than the slight regen will be beneficial.

Ion Diverter - Illicit

(Small Ship only)

Once per round, after you remove an Ion token from your ship you may perform a free Boost or Barrel Roll.

- - -

Makes their final position a little less predictable.

Hmmm... that's made me think of another one.

Ion Capacitor - Illicit - Dual card

(Small Ship only)

Side A

After you remove an Ion token from your ship flip this card.

Side B

When attacking with your primary weapon, if the defender is in your primary arc you may add 1 attack die to your roll, then flip this card.

During the End Phase, if this text is showing, flip this card.

- - - - -

Was originally going to be single sided, with "place Ion token on the card", then spend it to add a die or discard the token at the end if unspent, but thought it would be too much text.

11 hours ago, Vineheart01 said:

the kfighter is horribly inferior to the xwing in every way except attack potential.

Kihraxz Fighters can do 1 hard turns. That's pretty good. People used to say that 1 hard turns were the best move in the game.

17 hours ago, Phoenix5454 said:

OK...

the scale of the epic ships is "scaled to feel" according to FFG. That's why the Raider and the Tantive IV are both 12" models even tho the raider is actually a larger ship.

What I was getting at is that the Star Jewel is a large enough ship to have separate fore and aft pilot cards like the Raider and CR-90 which is what the next epic scum ship will most likely have to be so that all three factions have access to an epic ship with those qualities...

not sure what you're getting at since its clearly known that all epic ships except the gozanti are"scaled to feel" and not the games normal 1/270.

You want to tell me that 150m is longer than 150m?

2 hours ago, RogueLeader42 said:

You want to tell me that 150m is longer than 150m?

On wookiepedia it says the Tantive IV is 126m...

9 hours ago, markcsoul said:

Prior to IA kfighters were superior to x-wings IMO since they were a point cheaper, and had arguably a better dial.

But now thanks to IA they're a bit behind as they have one less health and a worse dial for just 2 points less assuming the x-wing takes R2 astromech.

I'd still rather take 5 x Kihraxz over 4 x X-Wings with Integrated R2. The numbers beats the utility every time. And the Kohraxz's dial is still better with or without R2 Astromech. Making a couple of moves green doesn't make up for the pack of the incredible 1 hard turn or 5k turn.

And soon, for that 2 point difference every single Kihraxz will have access to shield regeneration (and the 1 straight).

Losing the 1 straight really hurts for a jouster though. And if you buy the 1 straight, you lost the fifth ship.

1 hour ago, Phoenix5454 said:

On wookiepedia it says the Tantive IV is 126m...

The Model in X-Wing was modeled after the Legends length of 150m.

Disney setting the CR90 to 126m has to do with the messup of the CGI model in EP III (in Legends this was solved by making the EP III ship a CR70). This leads to some problems as they also recanonized the CR70 at the same length.

36 minutes ago, RogueLeader42 said:

The Model in X-Wing was modeled after the Legends length of 150m.

Disney setting the CR90 to 126m has to do with the messup of the CGI model in EP III (in Legends this was solved by making the EP III ship a CR70). This leads to some problems as they also recanonized the CR70 at the same length.

Ah I see. **** internet has betrayed me again!

Am I the only one who pronounces Tantive, Taun-tive?

Tan Tiv.

Or possible Tan Teev depending on ho0w I'm feeling. But pronunciation discussions are always rendered more complex by the fact that the words peopel use to refer to how they pronounce a thing are pronounced differently, and almost nobody understands IPA.

3 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Tan Tiv.

Or possible Tan Teev depending on ho0w I'm feeling. But pronunciation discussions are always rendered more complex by the fact that the words peopel use to refer to how they pronounce a thing are pronounced differently, and almost nobody understands IPA.

Just too hoppy for me.

I was wondering how long it would take someone to make that joke.