VadersMarch might be onto something. I'd love to see a "comics" wave sometime.

It'd be pretty rad for Scum to get Krrsantan as their first big wookie guy. They could throw Chewie into his acquisition mission- big guy doesn't get much love these days.

Doctor Aphra would be an incredibly interesting unique for the Empire- ranged, stealthy, maybe support or gadget oriented and... CANON! Plus, her acquisition mission could feature Vader as well.

I don't know a ton about the Rebels during this period since I've just read Vader's run, but... Sana Starros, maybe? I could see her mission as an interesting one to bring Han in with...

Does anyone remember the name of the crazy sister of Motti? I remember the old Empire Comics from Marvel, when they ran a story line of the crazy sister wanting to avenge her brother's death, she had Bossk and IG on the payroll and from vague memories it ended up with Leia getting up close and personal and putting a dagger in her heart.

3 hours ago, thereisnotry said:

It's interesting you say that, because as I watched Rogue One I was thinking to myself, "Now this looks just like a dramatized version of a really cool IA Campaign mission (or series of missions)."

It's like a number of the scenes were the result of a cool IA mission design:

1. Escape Imperial custody and find that human-machine cyborg guy, and the Imperial pilot who has vital information, then escape the planet before it explodes
2. Find Jyn's dad (and help to blow up that research facility). Perhaps this would've been Jyn Erso's personal side mission?
3. Gain access to the planet's surface (perhaps it's more Armada/X-Wing ish, but it was an important step in the story)
4. Infiltrate the Imperial base/tower thing without alerting the Imperials to your presence (yet)
5. Access the data archive and retrieve the Death Star plans, while keeping the waves of Imperial troops at bay
6. (Finale) Upload the Death Star plans to the Rebel fleet

I've only seen the movie once so I'm pretty sure that I'm missing some things, but I was struck by how IA-esque the Rogue One movie was...and also by how SW-esque IA Campaign is!

I don' know who said it first/best when they said Rogue One is basically "IA porn".

The absolutely ridiculous numbers of storm troopers just mowed down like wheat before a harvester does ring a bit of IA. Whether it be blasters, robot limbs or just sticks, troopers died at the slightest provocation.

I try to compare everything to the storm troopers first. With them, you have 3 attacks B/G each, total 9 HP for 6pts. You also have 3 figures so you have some utility there that BT-1 doesn't have. So, they make up for it with the red die attack and an extra HP.

And Pierce 2 and Recover and Blast-

Ok, nevermind. This is stupid. lol

20 hours ago, subtrendy said:

I don't know a ton about the Rebels during this period since I've just read Vader's run, but... Sana Starros, maybe? I could see her mission as an interesting one to bring Han in with...

I like the idea of Sana Starros/Solo although I think she's technically a Merc. Given her history with all the other women in the SW universe I think she'd need an ability like:

Frenemies: At the beginning of your activation all female figures within 3 spaces suffer 1 strain.

I know it is C2-B5, but one can pretend it is BT-1

On 03/24/2017 at 3:42 PM, macmastermind said:

I try to compare everything to the storm troopers first. With them, you have 3 attacks B/G each, total 9 HP for 6pts. You also have 3 figures so you have some utility there that BT-1 doesn't have. So, they make up for it with the red die attack and an extra HP.

And Pierce 2 and Recover and Blast-

Ok, nevermind. This is stupid. lol

Blast is weak, unless your opponent hasn't learnt yet to keep his guys a space or two apart, or adjacent to enemies. Considering 000 wants to be next to enemies, you might not even want to trigger blast with BT1...

A single figure with a black dice defence is weaker than a group of troopers. How often do you overkill a trooper? Having to spend a whole attack to get rid of one 3 health trooper... Against BT1 you get to use your attacks better, and really knock off health quickly... He won't survive as long as troopers, so he needs the recover. And it's a surge, so only when he attacks (admittedly he might heal 6 in his triple attack) , so just gang up on him before he can recover... I really don't see what's so powerful about him. He'll just make an interesting new villian to play with...

4 hours ago, neosmagus said:

A single figure with a black dice defence is weaker than a group of troopers. How often do you overkill a trooper? Having to spend a whole attack to get rid of one 3 health trooper... Against BT1 you get to use your attacks better, and really knock off health quickly... He won't survive as long as troopers, so he needs the recover. And it's a surge, so only when he attacks (admittedly he might heal 6 in his triple attack) , so just gang up on him before he can recover... I really don't see what's so powerful about him. He'll just make an interesting new villian to play with...

How would he heal 6? Just curious since he's surge for recover 1 and each attack is a different attack so hunter protocol would only work for one of them.

53 minutes ago, Masterchiefspiff said:

How would he heal 6? Just curious since he's surge for recover 1 and each attack is a different attack so hunter protocol would only work for one of them.

My bad, thought he was recover 2, but realize now I mixed it with 000. So at a recovering 1 or 3 per attack/special action, he's even less of a threat.

Let me go on record:

I hereby predict that BT-1--who has received about as many "borken!!1!!" cries as the Grand Inquisitor did--will be used in high level competition about as often as the Grand Inquisitor has been...ie, not much at all.

We will have to see what happens, but I expect that this is what we'll find, after the wave hits and dust clears.

11 hours ago, thereisnotry said:

Let me go on record:

I hereby predict that BT-1--who has received about as many "borken!!1!!" cries as the Grand Inquisitor did--will be used in high level competition about as often as the Grand Inquisitor has been...ie, not much at all.

I disagree with your disagreement. I remember first trying Onar Koma and thinking "this guy is terrible !" He seemed to die so easy to my children's attacks. i saw someone did pretty well in a regional with him and tried him again, playing him as more of a flanker with one other figure. He demolished my opponent in 2 games, I was just playing him differently.

BT has a similar health ratio to the Inquisitor, both have pretty standard health, but nothing fantastic (no built in surge block, etc) but BT has several things that make him better

1. cheaper cost

2. better surges - he can heal himself, not great but it helps keep him alive longer no additional damage, but pierce and blast help spread the damage

3. a 4 dice attack at range. Inquisitor has a hard time hitting hard enough and staying far enough away to stay alive. this guy can hit from far away and doesn't need a support figure like Sorin or Kayn or even an officer.

4. Hunter - Droid - Heavy Weapon - serious command card help - he can also have access to targeting computer, making him more accurate

I don't think he's broken, because he can be dealt with just like most other figures, But he's going to leave a mark and he's going to be good. People will use him and be successful.

12 hours ago, buckero0 said:

I disagree with your disagreement. I remember first trying Onar Koma and thinking "this guy is terrible !" He seemed to die so easy to my children's attacks. i saw someone did pretty well in a regional with him and tried him again, playing him as more of a flanker with one other figure. He demolished my opponent in 2 games, I was just playing him differently.

BT has a similar health ratio to the Inquisitor, both have pretty standard health, but nothing fantastic (no built in surge block, etc) but BT has several things that make him better

1. cheaper cost

2. better surges - he can heal himself, not great but it helps keep him alive longer no additional damage, but pierce and blast help spread the damage

3. a 4 dice attack at range. Inquisitor has a hard time hitting hard enough and staying far enough away to stay alive. this guy can hit from far away and doesn't need a support figure like Sorin or Kayn or even an officer.

4. Hunter - Droid - Heavy Weapon - serious command card help - he can also have access to targeting computer, making him more accurate

I don't think he's broken, because he can be dealt with just like most other figures, But he's going to leave a mark and he's going to be good. People will use him and be successful.

I think you misunderstand me. I didn't say he won't be good. I think he'll be very good. But I also think the Inquisitor is very good; last summer at GenCon I piloted my Inquisitor squad a 3rd place finish after 6 rounds of Swiss, losing eventually to Brian V, who won the event. I think the Inquisitor can be excellent! However, I don't recall seeing any other Inquisitor squads in the Top 16 that year; considering how many people reacted as they did, you'd expect to see him in at least 4 or more of the Top 16 squads.

But it seems like he's just not recognized as such by most players; in fact, in the months following GenCon I was told by several players that the Inquisitor is actually overrated (and overcosted). I haven't been at all convinced by these players, but there are nevertheless players who claim such things. Nor do I think (or claim) that BT-1 is overcosted, btw; I think he's right on the money.

Regardless, it seems quite odd how rarely we see the Inquisitor in high level competition, compared to how many cries of "borken!!211!!!" we heard when he was previewed. My point is that people have a habit of over- reacting when a strong piece is previewed, but before they've had a chance to actually play the piece. This was precisely the case for the Grand Inquisitor, and I'm expecting that the same thing will likely be the case for BT-1. BT-1 will be good, and I'm sure that people will find a way to use him well, but I expect that the sky-falling cries of "powercreep" that we're hearing with BT-1 will be replaced with a similar "settling-in" response by the playerbase, as people begin to realize BT-1's place in the meta, and as his inherent strengths and weaknesses play themselves out in a match.

TL;DR: I really do think that BT-1 will be good. I just don't think that these cries of "broken" and "powercreep" will bear themselves out. It sounds far too much like the public reaction/outcry when the Grand Inquisitor was previewed.

13 hours ago, buckero0 said:

I disagree with your disagreement. I remember first trying Onar Koma and thinking "this guy is terrible !" He seemed to die so easy to my children's attacks. i saw someone did pretty well in a regional with him and tried him again, playing him as more of a flanker with one other figure. He demolished my opponent in 2 games, I was just playing him differently.

BT has a similar health ratio to the Inquisitor, both have pretty standard health, but nothing fantastic (no built in surge block, etc) but BT has several things that make him better

1. cheaper cost

2. better surges - he can heal himself, not great but it helps keep him alive longer no additional damage, but pierce and blast help spread the damage

3. a 4 dice attack at range. Inquisitor has a hard time hitting hard enough and staying far enough away to stay alive. this guy can hit from far away and doesn't need a support figure like Sorin or Kayn or even an officer.

4. Hunter - Droid - Heavy Weapon - serious command card help - he can also have access to targeting computer, making him more accurate

I don't think he's broken, because he can be dealt with just like most other figures, But he's going to leave a mark and he's going to be good. People will use him and be successful.

1. Cheaper cost... for less health, lower defense, lower speed.

2. I'm not sure how you can call pierce 2 and regen better than ignore dodge, pierce 3, 1 wound and cleave 3, they clearly are not.

3. The 4 die attack averages about 0.5 damage on black and less on white due to those worse surges and that isn't counting the cleave 3 which will put it ahead even on black.

4. Inquisitor is also a hunter and force user isn't great it does have some unique stuff.

Yup, ranged is better than melee, even if you can only guarantee 3 range on your 4 die attack, but being able to ignore dodge is pretty big too as is cleaving 3.

On 3/25/2017 at 0:57 PM, Rikalonius said:

I know it is C2-B5, but one can pretend it is BT-1

Hey, at least BT actually appears in the comics that he's supposed to...

On 3/27/2017 at 0:17 AM, thereisnotry said:

I think you misunderstand me. I didn't say he won't be good. I think he'll be very good. But I also think the Inquisitor is very good; last summer at GenCon I piloted my Inquisitor squad a 3rd place finish after 6 rounds of Swiss, losing eventually to Brian V, who won the event. I think the Inquisitor can be excellent! However, I don't recall seeing any other Inquisitor squads in the Top 16 that year; considering how many people reacted as they did, you'd expect to see him in at least 4 or more of the Top 16 squads.

But it seems like he's just not recognized as such by most players; in fact, in the months following GenCon I was told by several players that the Inquisitor is actually overrated (and overcosted). I haven't been at all convinced by these players, but there are nevertheless players who claim such things. Nor do I think (or claim) that BT-1 is overcosted, btw; I think he's right on the money.

Regardless, it seems quite odd how rarely we see the Inquisitor in high level competition, compared to how many cries of "borken!!211!!!" we heard when he was previewed. My point is that people have a habit of over- reacting when a strong piece is previewed, but before they've had a chance to actually play the piece. This was precisely the case for the Grand Inquisitor, and I'm expecting that the same thing will likely be the case for BT-1. BT-1 will be good, and I'm sure that people will find a way to use him well, but I expect that the sky-falling cries of "powercreep" that we're hearing with BT-1 will be replaced with a similar "settling-in" response by the playerbase, as people begin to realize BT-1's place in the meta, and as his inherent strengths and weaknesses play themselves out in a match.

TL;DR: I really do think that BT-1 will be good. I just don't think that these cries of "broken" and "powercreep" will bear themselves out. It sounds far too much like the public reaction/outcry when the Grand Inquisitor was previewed.

Oh yes, I remember your use of the GI at GenCon. No claims of him being underpowered coming from me ?.

-ryanjamal

On 3/25/2017 at 9:05 PM, thereisnotry said:

Let me go on record:

I hereby predict that BT-1--who has received about as many "borken!!1!!" cries as the Grand Inquisitor did--will be used in high level competition about as often as the Grand Inquisitor has been...ie, not much at all.

We will have to see what happens, but I expect that this is what we'll find, after the wave hits and dust clears.

BT-1 will fill a good niche role but not see widespread play, 0-0-0 will be a staple of top Imperial lists.

2 hours ago, squirrelfox said:

BT-1 will fill a good niche role but not see widespread play, 0-0-0 will be a staple of top Imperial lists.

I see how 000 can be effective, but a staple? I dunno... I'll have to see how he plays first.

And I think there will be a top tier droid-centric list, which would be crazy not to feature BT. Beyond that, I'm not sure how easily he'll fit in other lists.

-ryanjamal

6 hours ago, squirrelfox said:

BT-1 will fill a good niche role but not see widespread play, 0-0-0 will be a staple of top Imperial lists.

Wrong way around?

Maybe people think 3P0's success will transfer to Triple Z?

I don't think he's a good enough support hero, and he's more expensive. BT, though- I think he'll be great against weaker enemy trooper lists.

BT will be everywhere in the Empire and if Droid lists catch on he'll be in most of them.

17 hours ago, beefcake4000 said:

Wrong way around?

Nope. Glass cannons are great, but they're niche. You have to build around them. A cheap, reliable debuffer can be strong in a wide variety of lists. As long as Rebels and Scum are fielding potent melee (or even short range) units, Triple Z is going to be a solid Imperial counter that can be easily slotted in. You will always get a lot of value out of his points. The same can't be said for BT.

4 hours ago, squirrelfox said:

Nope. Glass cannons are great, but they're niche. You have to build around them. A cheap, reliable debuffer can be strong in a wide variety of lists. As long as Rebels and Scum are fielding potent melee (or even short range) units, Triple Z is going to be a solid Imperial counter that can be easily slotted in. You will always get a lot of value out of his points. The same can't be said for BT.

If you move him with command cards so he can get an Invasive off, he hits harder than BT AND bleeds AND THEN weakens anything around him. I've never really liked melee units in skirmish though, so I doubt I'd use him. He seems hard to use and while he might have a big pay off, he often will just be a sponge.

6 hours ago, Union said:

If you move him with command cards so he can get an Invasive off, he hits harder than BT AND bleeds AND THEN weakens anything around him. I've never really liked melee units in skirmish though, so I doubt I'd use him. He seems hard to use and while he might have a big pay off, he often will just be a sponge.

That's a big if. It's hard to move him into position to effectively spread weakened to the max number of people and have two actions still. But even then, BT still hits harder (rolls an extra blue), and that's without having to spend an action to focus.

-ryanjamal

7 hours ago, ryanjamal said:

That's a big if. It's hard to move him into position to effectively spread weakened to the max number of people and have two actions still. But even then, BT still hits harder (rolls an extra blue), and that's without having to spend an action to focus.

-ryanjamal

0 hits harder, getting the blue is less than Invasive.