Why not make it a quest reward? The PC could go on the hunt for a cave/temple/tomb (hidden away or guarded by some creature/spirit) or find another lightsaber user (I prefer the later) and take it from their cold, dead hands. They could then spend the better part of a few adventures "activating" it by exerting their will over it before implanting it into a lightsaber.

It goes without saying the crystal should be RED .

Type of crystal could be Ilum or a Barab Ingot , both of which take a bit of effort to upgrade. It won't matter which crystal you give him since anything with Breach 1 is going to hurt. If you're worried, start the Barab Ingot with Dam 6 and let him upgrade it over time.

Again, the key phrase is he started as an assassin and learnt a Lightsaber Form. Doesn't that make him not a force sensitive at this point in time? It's not a Jedi, however way one flips it thus it seems only fitting that he earns it by murder if at all. This guy isn't a force user so just killing someone for it would be enough.

Now, whether the group will allow him to murder the first Jedi in exile they come across is quite another question. Heheh

2 hours ago, LordBritish said:

Again, the key phrase is he started as an assassin and learnt a Lightsaber Form. Doesn't that make him not a force sensitive at this point in time? It's not a Jedi, however way one flips it thus it seems only fitting that he earns it by murder if at all. This guy isn't a force user so just killing someone for it would be enough.

Good point. If he doesn't have a Force Rating yet, then a Dark Side Trial seems not very likely. In that case I agree that the best way would be to try to find one on the black market or at least find a black market contact who can point him in the direction of a collector like Grakkus .

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/9/96/Grakkus_punches_Luke.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160707050403

14 hours ago, Decorus said:

Have you actually looked at what a Krayt Dragon Stats are?

If he can fight and defeat it by himself in a confined space he deserves his lightsaber crystal.

That reminds me, have they released the official stats for the Krayt Dragon?

31 minutes ago, SuperArppis said:

That reminds me, have they released the official stats for the Krayt Dragon?

I hope so, I didn't get to fight a Krayt dragon in my saga ed campaign. I still want to face a dragon with a lightsaber

Or a tarentatek, that'd be cool too.

The same way any other Jedi would.

Now if he's an inquisitor there's an Imperial Requisition form you fill out.

8 hours ago, GM Fred said:

Good point. If he doesn't have a Force Rating yet, then a Dark Side Trial seems not very likely. In that case I agree that the best way would be to try to find one on the black market or at least find a black market contact who can point him in the direction of a collector like Grakkus .

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/9/96/Grakkus_punches_Luke.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160707050403

Aye this really. A collector might also be a good choice but personally if they can't feel the force, theres no trial and likely the character wouldn't be able to grasp the significance of these crystals without first studying a lightsaber itself, unless he has other party members willing to accommodate this savage wookie.

6 hours ago, Kazimir said:

I hope so, I didn't get to fight a Krayt dragon in my saga ed campaign. I still want to face a dragon with a lightsaber

Or a tarentatek, that'd be cool too.

They have stats for baby Krayts they are well equipped for killing pcs.

Personally I use Rancor stats with a few boosts and swallow whole special ability:)

3 hours ago, Decorus said:

They have stats for baby Krayts they are well equipped for killing pcs.

Personally I use Rancor stats with a few boosts and swallow whole special ability:)

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What book are they in? How I'd love a consolidated enemy/gear/species series of books for this. I've only just begun collecting from the line.

But sounds good, I think in our campaign, it would be considered a rite of passage, at least for my brother and I's characters.

Its one of the one shot adventure booklets.

If he had a Force Rating I would say murdering another Force User, possibly even with the adversary's own Saber, would fit the character very well. It would create the ideal Fall event and get the character the crystal they want after dominating its former owner.

Otherwise the gall stone of some nasty beast is a good one too, but murder sounds right up this characters alley.

Possibilitys that I used fore my darker players:

1. A darkside cave on an Deadly Toxic planet - The Crystals were corrupted by the Darkside an echoing through the force, so that the darksider could find them... them and theire giant reptile water guardians. (It is not easy to fight on the crumbling remains of a natural brdge while the attacker can submerge for a maneuver.

2. On an very old asteroidbase (out of the days of KOTOR) the player finds an carbonid frozen chamber and within that chamber he fells an dark echo of the force. to get into that room he has to get rid of the carbonit (not much trouble thanks to the computer in the next room) when back in that room he realizes the echo come from an young terentatek that was infused with one ore more kyber crystals due to sith alchemie in the "good old days". Defeating the young once frozen terentatek will grant him the crystal.

3. Welcome him to Yavin IV. There is a temple with the ancient (evil) force ghost of Exar Kun. This one tells him to bring him a sacrifice (eather a personal like a limb or a relative, or a special one like the life of a lightsider ect.) Once the sacrifice is done within an old ritual (the PC has to find the rite-rules on his own (cause Exar Kun is a bored ******* of a ghost)) a stone loses and the player gains a crystal.

4. On an old forgotten sith world the player meets the guardian of the sithfortress, a giant Droid with Lightsabers instead of hands... well you can figure the rest ^^

On 22.3.2017 at 7:02 AM, Kazimir said:

What book are they in? How I'd love a consolidated enemy/gear/species series of books for this. I've only just begun collecting from the line.

But sounds good, I think in our campaign, it would be considered a rite of passage, at least for my brother and I's characters.

The baby krayt is in the EotE Beta Adventure

Just now, Azanael said:

The baby krayt is in the EotE Beta Adventure

Thanks muchly

Might I suggest that your player's appearance goal should be to look like this:

On 2017-03-23 at 6:01 PM, Nightone said:

Possibilitys that I used fore my darker players:

1. A darkside cave on an Deadly Toxic planet - The Crystals were corrupted by the Darkside an echoing through the force, so that the darksider could find them... them and theire giant reptile water guardians. (It is not easy to fight on the crumbling remains of a natural brdge while the attacker can submerge for a maneuver.

2. On an very old asteroidbase (out of the days of KOTOR) the player finds an carbonid frozen chamber and within that chamber he fells an dark echo of the force. to get into that room he has to get rid of the carbonit (not much trouble thanks to the computer in the next room) when back in that room he realizes the echo come from an young terentatek that was infused with one ore more kyber crystals due to sith alchemie in the "good old days". Defeating the young once frozen terentatek will grant him the crystal.

3. Welcome him to Yavin IV. There is a temple with the ancient (evil) force ghost of Exar Kun. This one tells him to bring him a sacrifice (eather a personal like a limb or a relative, or a special one like the life of a lightsider ect.) Once the sacrifice is done within an old ritual (the PC has to find the rite-rules on his own (cause Exar Kun is a bored ******* of a ghost)) a stone loses and the player gains a crystal.

4. On an old forgotten sith world the player meets the guardian of the sithfortress, a giant Droid with Lightsabers instead of hands... well you can figure the rest ^^

That sounds really cool! Especially Yavin IV! Are all your players darksiders?

On 2017-03-25 at 3:20 AM, unicornpuncher said:

Might I suggest that your player's appearance goal should be to look like this:

Omg! It's so cool! Did you make that?

On 2017-03-21 at 3:10 PM, GM Fred said:

Good point. If he doesn't have a Force Rating yet, then a Dark Side Trial seems not very likely. In that case I agree that the best way would be to try to find one on the black market or at least find a black market contact who can point him in the direction of a collector like Grakkus .

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/9/96/Grakkus_punches_Luke.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160707050403

Stealing it from a collector sounds pretty cool too!

Im confused, doesn't a non force-user automatically get a Force Rating if he buys a force-specialization? Like if he discovered his force potential late?

31 minutes ago, ForceUser said:

Stealing it from a collector sounds pretty cool too!

Im confused, doesn't a non force-user automatically get a Force Rating if he buys a force-specialization? Like if he discovered his force potential late?

The only Specialisations that allow a PC to gain a Force Rating are Force Sensitive Exile and Foce Sensitive Emergent. No other Specialisation has the wording "gain Force Rating 1"

6 hours ago, ForceUser said:

That sounds really cool! Especially Yavin IV! Are all your players darksiders?

I wish I could make artwork that awesome! I believe I found that pic in this thread . Tons of great artwork in there, you should give it a look.

Just to reiterate with a bit more detail the gaining Force Rating, if you start with a non-F&D career, i.e. Edge of the Empire/Age of Rebellion, you can only gain a Force Rating from buying Force Sensitive Exile and Force Sensitive Emergent, thus making your character discover they are a Force Sensitive. If your player started as an Wookie Bounty Hunter/Assassin then they could still buy a specialization from an F&D career but they do not gain Force Rating 1 from it .

If the player has already spent lots of xp on Force Powers and talents in the F&D tree I wouldn't take all that away from him; to make up for it, I'd just say that the next 30 xp he gains he has to spend on either Force Exile or Emergent and call it a day.

If the crystals can be imbued with the light side, they can be imbued with the dark side. Why does this have to be so complicated?

On 3/26/2017 at 9:18 AM, unicornpuncher said:

I wish I could make artwork that awesome! I believe I found that pic in this thread . Tons of great artwork in there, you should give it a look.

Just to reiterate with a bit more detail the gaining Force Rating, if you start with a non-F&D career, i.e. Edge of the Empire/Age of Rebellion, you can only gain a Force Rating from buying Force Sensitive Exile and Force Sensitive Emergent, thus making your character discover they are a Force Sensitive. If your player started as an Wookie Bounty Hunter/Assassin then they could still buy a specialization from an F&D career but they do not gain Force Rating 1 from it .

If the player has already spent lots of xp on Force Powers and talents in the F&D tree I wouldn't take all that away from him; to make up for it, I'd just say that the next 30 xp he gains he has to spend on either Force Exile or Emergent and call it a day.

The other thing to do would be to retcon the character and take as his first specialization one that has a force rating of 1, then immediately go to the bounty hunter/assassin lines. He was born force sensitive, but didn't heed the call of the Force until later in life...or something along those lines.

On 2017-03-26 at 6:18 PM, unicornpuncher said:

I wish I could make artwork that awesome! I believe I found that pic in this thread . Tons of great artwork in there, you should give it a look.

Just to reiterate with a bit more detail the gaining Force Rating, if you start with a non-F&D career, i.e. Edge of the Empire/Age of Rebellion, you can only gain a Force Rating from buying Force Sensitive Exile and Force Sensitive Emergent, thus making your character discover they are a Force Sensitive. If your player started as an Wookie Bounty Hunter/Assassin then they could still buy a specialization from an F&D career but they do not gain Force Rating 1 from it .

If the player has already spent lots of xp on Force Powers and talents in the F&D tree I wouldn't take all that away from him; to make up for it, I'd just say that the next 30 xp he gains he has to spend on either Force Exile or Emergent and call it a day.

Cool! I've got to check that out

I see. I can probably fix that detail in the story. Lets say that he has started practicing lightsaber combat but can't feel the Force yet. With guidence from another force user or maybe a holocron he learns to tap into the Force and gets to buy the Emergent-tree.

3 hours ago, Woobyluv said:

If the crystals can be imbued with the light side, they can be imbued with the dark side. Why does this have to be so complicated?

Yeah, I like that idea. In KOTOR 2 there's a similair thing in Meetra Suriks crystal:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Exile's_Crystal

Okey guys, I think I got it! After reading these posts I've been working on an adventure to weave into my campain, where the Wookie earns his crystal in a way that's in line with his character. First to get you up to speed on the story:

So this wookie is a Bounty hunter; Assassin who was a pirate captain in his early days before the campain started. Their ship filled with loot crashed on a remote planet, the wookie managed to survive and has return to civilization. Ever since he has been trying to return to pick upp his loot.

This guy is bloodthirsty and strives to become the strongest, most deadly warrior he can be. In recent adventures he has started to sense the Force very weakly, only in the form of instincts or a chill going down his neck. He is now set on becoming even stronger by learning the ways of the Force and getting his own lightsaber. All he is missing is the crystal, as he's already stolen a broken lightsaber hilt from the trophy collection of a Jedi hunter.

Here's a quick summery of the adventure I'm planning. A treasue hunt with a slight variant of Joseph Cambells Heroes journey:

In their next adventure the players learn of a crashed ship on a remote jungle planet and wants to loot it because who doesn't like a big pile of money? Everyone thinks it's a simple salvage mission but the wookie will realize it's his old ship. Hopefully he will share this info with the other players but we shall see ;P

When they arrive they will have to endure all the pleasures of a harsh jungle enviroment as they will follow directions of a map. As they travel they feel as they are being watched by something out there. They will soon come across a primitive village where they will seek help in reaching the crash site. There they will learn of a great beast that is said to stalk the jungle and has harrased the village for generations. According to their legend a long time ago a "star traveler" arrived to their ancestors and defeated the beast with a "weapon of fire". As the beast has returned they now await the arrival of the Traveler and believe that one of the players might be.

As they spend the night in the village the beast will attack in the dark, give the players a taste of what will come and then escape when it has been hurt enough.

The players realize that the lair of the beast is located at the crash site and goes to a secluded place in the mountains to visit what is said to be the Traveler dwelling. There they will meet an elderly shaman from the village tasked with tending to the site in wait of the Traveler. The dwelling turns out is an old camp of a Jedi Knight who came across this planet a long time ago. From writings found in his quarters the players learn that the knight protected the village against the beast but perished from his wounds later. The beasts armor is tough and few other weapons than a lightsaber can really hurt it.

The shaman will take the players to a holy cave to determine if anyone of them is the Traveler. Every player (force user or not) will experience a foreshadowing vision that ties into the campain and their personal quest. The wookie will experience a dark vision where he must tap into his anger to survive.

After these events the shaman will believe that the wookie is the Traveler, destined to kill the beast once and for all. The players will track down the beast in it's lair, there will be a great battle in the wreckage of the pirate ship and in the end of the adventure the wookie will slay the beast and be rewarded with a red lightsaber crystal! In addition to what little remains of the loot because most of it got destroyed in the crash...

I have a few ideas on how this will play out, which one do you think works best?:

1. In the Travelers dwelling the wookie finds the remains of the Jedi knight, takes his lightsaber for his own and slays the beast with it. (Con: because it's a Jedi the saber will probably not be red).

2. The wookie slays the beast (turns out it's a krayt dragon) and claims one of it's pearls as his lightsaber crystal. (Con: would probably be cooler if he got the lightsaber first so he got to use it in the battle against the beast).

3. The holy cave turns out is a Force Vergence and a crystal cave, it's alignment is between the light and the dark. The wookie faces of against a dark vision and will use his rage and hate to defeat it. In doing so he will finally fall completely to the dark side (because his morality is already pretty low so I think this would do it). In a raged filled attack he will defeat the vision and out of the dark a crystal will fall into view. As he comes about he discovers that in his rage he struck the wall and smashed a crystal formation which produced a red lightsaber crystal for him to claim, born out of his anger in a poetic way. In the Travelers dwelling he will find the necessary tools and instructions to build a lightsaber which he will slay the beast with and prove his right as the Traveler.

What do you guys think?