Hey guys,

I'm just curious as to what you think: could you actually field the Arquitens (given dynamic scaling and all) in Epic? It would have to be larger than the Raider, but not by much. On the Rebel side, one could imagine the Hammerhead or maybe even a Nebulon B (although I don't really see how that'll work). Or is the size simply too much?

unless theres another im missing its the most likely if we ever get a 3rd huge ship. But even then i'd be surprised, it would be massive on the table. Neb B i dont think is that much longer than a CR90 but it would be insanely tall.

Both to me are the most likely if we get any at all, but im not holding my breath for it.

Yeah that's why I don't see how the Nebulon would work. Simply too tall. I WANT MORE EPIC DAMMIT

There is a scratch built by one of our community's awesome modders. It came in at 50cm and the Raider is about 32cm so you can imagine it would be significantly larger on the battlefield at about 155% the size of the Raider.

I think the size of the Arquitens is just too much. In canon, as near as I can tell, it's around 100 meteres longer than a CR-90. Even if you look at the sliding scale in Armada and the "dynamic" scaling in epic X-Wing, it would need to be substantially larger than the raider or CR-90 models to make any kind of sense. At the "true" 1/270 scale, the Arquitens would be 3 feet long (as near as I can tell). Even with the sliding scale I don't see it getting THAT much smaller.

To give you an idea, the CR-90 miniature would be 21-22 inches long at 1/270, and the actual model is, what, just over a foot long? That means the Arquitens, scaled to the X-Wing CR-90, would still be in the neighborhood of 20+ inches. That's just too big for even the epic play surface. Scale it down even further and I really think you are losing too much fidelity.

The Hammerhead could definitely work, I think the epic pegs are tall enough that they would support the odd height of the forward section. On the imperial side though...well, there's a reason they invented the raider.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I love thinking about new ships as much as the next guy, and epic games are a blast, but X-Wing is still a dogfighting game at its core. The system doesn't support huge ships all that well, and the scaling is actually one of my favorite parts of the game.

They've said they don't want Epic ships that are much bigger than ~100 meters. So roughly the CR-90. The Arquitens is roughly 3 times that length, and so it's a no go.

The Nebulon B is roughly as tall as a CR-90 is long, so that tells you how _long_ the thing is.

And yes: I want both ships in Epic. I just don't see it happening.

Would probably end up needing three bases and cost half again as much as the corvettes minimum. If we get a new Epic soon, I would bet on the Hammerhead Corvette with a Blue Squadron X-wing and K2-SO as the "must-have" card. Or maybe we will see something appropriate in The Last Jedi. First Order and Resistance Epic? I'd be interested.

5 minutes ago, FatherTurin said:

I think the size of the Arquitens is just too much. In canon, as near as I can tell, it's around 100 meteres longer than a CR-90. Even if you look at the sliding scale in Armada and the "dynamic" scaling in epic X-Wing, it would need to be substantially larger than the raider or CR-90 models to make any kind of sense. At the "true" 1/270 scale, the Arquitens would be 3 feet long (as near as I can tell). Even with the sliding scale I don't see it getting THAT much smaller.

To give you an idea, the CR-90 miniature would be 21-22 inches long at 1/270, and the actual model is, what, just over a foot long? That means the Arquitens, scaled to the X-Wing CR-90, would still be in the neighborhood of 20+ inches. That's just too big for even the epic play surface. Scale it down even further and I really think you are losing too much fidelity.

The Hammerhead could definitely work, I think the epic pegs are tall enough that they would support the odd height of the forward section. On the imperial side though...well, there's a reason they invented the raider.

One reason the Nebulon works well is that while it is long, it is not massive. The wedge shape of most Imperial ships just makes them get really big, really fast.

I would be all for a "3-base" sized epic ship. And, I think the Hammerhead is a "for sure" ship if they keep making them.

Scum only has one epic (and that's not even in store yet!), their second could be "Wild Karrde". I think the others would be too big, even with dynamic scaling.

Love the wild karrde. Looks a bit like a handheld vaccuum cleaner, though.

I want the Wild Karrde (we should just call it Starr Warrs right?) just to mod the ship to act as a carrying case for a tourney squad.

Does someone have a custom made Arquitens Light Cruiser?

1 hour ago, Vineheart01 said:

unless theres another im missing its the most likely if we ever get a 3rd huge ship. But even then i'd be surprised, it would be massive on the table. Neb B i dont think is that much longer than a CR90 but it would be insanely tall.

Both to me are the most likely if we get any at all, but im not holding my breath for it.

Nebulon -B would be, even with the lower end estimates of its size, about 2x longer than a CR-90. maybe closer to 3x, since the Epic model is rather more 'compressed' length wise compared to the shooting model's proportions.

58 minutes ago, FatherTurin said:

The Hammerhead could definitely work, I think the epic pegs are tall enough that they would support the odd height of the forward section. On the imperial side though...well, there's a reason they invented the raider.

Hammerhead would fit well. it runs about 2x the length of the Ghost in the show, so should be inbetween the size of the GR-75 and the CR-90 converted to epic scale. not sure what it would bring to the table in terms of capabilities to set it apart though.

41 minutes ago, KaLeu said:

Scum only has one epic (and that's not even in store yet!), their second could be "Wild Karrde". I think the others would be too big, even with dynamic scaling.

technically this is the Action VI transport, the Wilde Karrde would just be a title for it, changing up a few stats. it is worth noting that the Action VI had several combat models in the Legends material, including the Interceptor VI Frigate (which replaced most of the cargo space for Turbolaser turrets and Torpedo batteries), and a lightly armed patrol ship model with a couple Turbolasers and a couple fighters.

which to me means that you could have a set where the base ship is unarmed like the GR-75, and has a bunch of cargo slots.. but also includes cards to swap cargo slots for hardpoint slots to mount guns or ordinance tubes. would give it major flexibility,. and if your concerned about people converting the GR-75's to pocket corvettes, you could just put "Action-VI only" limits or something. though i'd stick in a "docking ports" card to let a ship carry two small base fighters, and make it "epic only", so you can replicate the ability of the CR-90's from Rebels to carry X-wings. (large base or epic only if you want ot do like the recent Rebels episode and let the ghost carry an extra couple fighters)

In Armada, the Arquitens isn't THAT much bigger than the Raider. I estimate around 10-20%, which would make it, what, 40cm long? That seems doable.

1 hour ago, Stefan said:

Yeah that's why I don't see how the Nebulon would work. Simply too tall. I WANT MORE EPIC DAMMIT

Pfffffffffft.

11 minutes ago, mithril2098 said:

Hammerhead would fit well. it runs about 2x the length of the Ghost in the show, so should be inbetween the size of the GR-75 and the CR-90 converted to epic scale. not sure what it would bring to the table in terms of capabilities to set it apart though.

Besides a K2-SO crew card? Ramming obv. And because the Rebel Epic ships are the oldest, they are also the weakest. Hammerhead would allow FFG to freshen those ships up a bit.

If FFG wants to print money, they need to make the Hammerhead and include something to make the T-65 great again. It's gonna be huge...

Hammerhead and Rebel Veterans...a boy can dream....

1 hour ago, Vineheart01 said:

unless theres another im missing its the most likely if we ever get a 3rd huge ship. But even then i'd be surprised, it would be massive on the table. Neb B i dont think is that much longer than a CR90 but it would be insanely tall.

Both to me are the most likely if we get any at all, but im not holding my breath for it.

Light Cruiser with Admiral Thrawn crew card, please.

It's a little too big, but many people would buy this "mini Star Destroyer".

Rebels should get the Hammerhead Cruiser next, but I wouldn't mind to see the Neb B counter the Imperial Light Cruiser... maybe as a new 3 epic cards ship?

EDIT: we also need the Admiral Ackbar crew card.

20 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Pfffffffffft.

Oh it looks great!!! <3

...should really be an Imperial ship, though. The Rebels only acquired them through THEFT and TREASON.

Don't forget the Dornean gunship for the Rebels. At 90 meters it would fit Epic play nicely. It was designed as an anti-star fighter gunship and had a small hanger bay. Tangling with raiders, gozantis, and all the ties. would not be a stretch at all. It could carry two X-wings, A-wings, or Y-wings for patrols or long distance raids.

That Nebulon in those pictures scales to 1/400 or even higher. There is an old thread following the construction of a 1/270 scale CR-90 and Nebulon B. The 1/270 Nebulon is around a meter/3 ft. To work best in epic, I think it would need to be the center line of a 6x3 space and act as active scenery. It wouldn't move but the ships on either side would interact with it. The same for the Arquitens. A entire 6 ft table edge could represent two thirds of a SD. Set up turrets on the imperial edge and give them a range and hull points. Two tables could represent either side of the ship with the imperial players in between for the epic conclusion of a campaign. Some heavy card templates would probably be the practical for most games.

I don't care how impractical it may be, I'd pay FFG HANDSOMELY for a dual-faction Nebulon B in whatever sliding, "feel good" scale they find appropriate.

1 hour ago, AwesomeJedi said:

Does someone have a custom made Arquitens Light Cruiser?

I posted a link to Macross's custom kitten, above.

34 minutes ago, kris40k said:

I posted a link to Macross's custom kitten, above.

I meant stats. But that is good work Macross!

Just now, AwesomeJedi said:

I meant stats. But that is good work Macross!

Gotcha!

Hmm, I don't have any link to stats to throw out, maybe someone will come along.