3 hours ago, gennataos said:

Hmmm...I'm unconvinced that either Miranda or Norra are better with Rey than Poe. I understand that they're conventionally better on their own, in a vacuum, but how are they better with Rey?

They are not better with Rey, but they are better because they are better on their own. Even if there is no special synergy going on between them, neither is there between Rey and Poe. So in that case if one part of the sum is bigger, the total gets bigger i guess.

Btw. I saw Rey/Norra on the top tables of Tattooine open swiss yesterday, so the "big nerfing" as i call it, seems to be working, but it also means that Re/Norra are a top squad.

I'm reviving this, now that I'm putting Heff/Norra/Biggs down as my main list. Autothrusters has always seemed like an auto-include in Poe builds, but I wondered about a more maneuverable version. He doesn't even really have to fly as a flanker to start...he could joust alongside Rey.

Rey (45)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Finn (5)
Kanan Jarrus (3)
Inertial Dampeners (1)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
Millennium Falcon (TFA) (1)

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Push the Limit (3)
R5-P9 (3)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Vectored Thrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 100

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1 hour ago, gennataos said:

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Push the Limit (3)
R5-P9 (3)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Vectored Thrusters (2)
Black One (1)

You're doing poe all wrong:

PS 9 -33
Intensity 2
BB8 2
Primed thrusters 1
autothrusters 2
B1 1

41 points

3 points cheaper than your build and more maneuverable and survivable.

22 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

You're doing poe all wrong:

PS 9 -33
Intensity 2
BB8 2
Primed thrusters 1
autothrusters 2
B1 1

41 points

3 points cheaper than your build and more maneuverable and survivable.

Without regen I'd question that last part.

Just now, DR4CO said:

Without regen I'd question that last part.

And that is why you fail.

But seriously, intensity poe has an evade, focus, repositioning, and AT for range 3 or out of arc shots. You don't need to regen what you don't get damaged.

7 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

And that is why you fail.

But seriously, intensity poe has an evade, focus, repositioning, and AT for range 3 or out of arc shots. You don't need to regen what you don't get damaged.

Ships with all of that and twice the amount of green dice that Poe has get murdered all the time.

1 minute ago, DR4CO said:

Ships with all of that and twice the amount of green dice that Poe has get murdered all the time.

All ships get murdered all the time. But if you feel that R5-P9 is your only hope then please be my guest.

3 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

But seriously, intensity poe has an evade, focus, repositioning, and AT for range 3 or out of arc shots. You don't need to regen what you don't get damaged.

'Bro, I heard you need a pilot ... so I put pilot in your pilot so you can have one h*** of a pilot.'

This is my new favorite quote related to X-wing:

" All ships get murdered all the time. But if you feel that [so-and-so] is your only hope then please be my guest." - @BlodVargarna

Paraphrased for general purpose, this is a sentiment that I can relate to in a lot of "'x' is better than 'y'" discussions.

Personally regen has never really done the trick for me. Slooping Rey is so flexible in positioning that I would want her wing-mate to be similarly flexible in changing directions as needed so I would go with PTL+BB8 PS9Poe and Adaptability on Rey.

12 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

You're doing poe all wrong:

PS 9 -33
Intensity 2
BB8 2
Primed thrusters 1
autothrusters 2
B1 1

41 points

3 points cheaper than your build and more maneuverable and survivable.

Hah, well...I wouldn't say I'm doing Poe all wrong. I would say I'm trying a small tweak, away from AT to VT. Intensity isn't even out yet, so I'm not going to consider that until it is. I can't argue that it isn't a cheaper build, but I don't think it's more maneuverable nor more survivable.

8 hours ago, nitrobenz said:

Personally regen has never really done the trick for me. Slooping Rey is so flexible in positioning that I would want her wing-mate to be similarly flexible in changing directions as needed so I would go with PTL+BB8 PS9Poe and Adaptability on Rey.

That's the entire point of having VT instead of AT...flexibility. The T-70 may not have the greatest greens in the world, but PtL + PA + VT on a T-70 can make it end up a lot of places without stress at the end.

13 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Hah, well...I wouldn't say I'm doing Poe all wrong. I would say I'm trying a small tweak, away from AT to VT. Intensity isn't even out yet, so I'm not going to consider that until it is. I can't argue that it isn't a cheaper build, but I don't think it's more maneuverable nor more survivable.

AT turns a blank to an evade at r3 or out of arc.

Evade token cancels a hit.

Intensity Poe is more survivable than PTL Poe.

45 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

AT turns a blank to an evade at r3 or out of arc.

Evade token cancels a hit.

Intensity Poe is more survivable than PTL Poe.

Yeah, I know what AT and an evade token do. I mean, come on, let's not go down a path of condescension. That would make me sad.

An Intensity Poe build is unlikely to get that evade token every turn, certainly not in this Rey/Poe list. AT definitely appears to give the Intensity build an edge, but regen might end up closing the gap. Until they're both put on the table, I don't think it can definitively be said that either build is more survivable.

23 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Yeah, I know what AT and an evade token do. I mean, come on, let's not go down a path of condescension. That would make me sad.

Truly Sorry man, not trying to be condescending. Just backing up my point.

I suggest you test drive an Intensity Poe. With PT and BB8 he will be getting the evade token, and focus token just about every round.

Reveal green: BB8 BR, Intensity evade, do green, take focus as action.

If he's subject to a lot of fire, he might have to use both tokens and won't have one to flip Intensity after combat phase.

Intensity Poe will nearly always get a focus action even if he's triple stressed. Reveal your choice of maneuver and boost for an intensity focus.

4 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

Truly Sorry man, not trying to be condescending. Just backing up my point.

I suggest you test drive an Intensity Poe. With PT and BB8 he will be getting the evade token, and focus token just about every round.

Reveal green: BB8 BR, Intensity evade, do green, take focus as action.

If he's subject to a lot of fire, he might have to use both tokens and won't have one to flip Intensity after combat phase.

Intensity Poe will nearly always get a focus action even if he's triple stressed. Reveal your choice of maneuver and boost for an intensity focus.

Oh, I plan to give Intensity a whirl on a lot of ship. Jake, Snap and Poe are all going to see some extended time! I'm not saying it won't be a good build, I just don't buy it as objectively better. There are just times when the BB-8 BR or the native boost aren't a good option or simply won't fit. Then the Intensity action economy goes out the window.

@BlodVargarna - Let's just approach it this way. I'm not going to fly Intensity until it comes out, because I want whatever I fly to be viable for tournaments. Given that, what do you think about VT over AT? Also, I've considered taking Adaptability on Rey instead of VI for the chance at a 1 point initiative bid. The thing is, I think anything which is also going for a bid will probably be down at 98 points or below anyway, so I might as well keep VI on Rey. Thoughts?

I don't like VI on Rey as much as adaptability. The advantage of going at same time as Poe is better in my opinion.

VT is cool, but it's over costed. It should have been 1 point. AT will help keep Poe in the fight longer, and especially if he's regen Poe is your closer. That said, VT in your build makes him more maneuverable than without.

The potential problem I see with your PTL Poe build is his vulnerability to stress and with R5-P9, focus shenanigans like hot shot copilot or Ptolemy stealers like Wes.

As always there aren't right answers and the only way to find out is to fly it.

I'm just an intense Intensity Poe evangelist!

I have gone 6-0 over the last week with this - http://xwing-builder.co.uk/view/714190/reypoe---the-experts Thanks for the idea to put these two together.

11 hours ago, bgrelle said:

I have gone 6-0 over the last week with this - http://xwing-builder.co.uk/view/714190/reypoe---the-experts Thanks for the idea to put these two together.

Where have you been playing this?

Im thinking about trying out Rey/Poe again with some of the tweaks we've discussed.

Did you use Rey to cause as much havoc as she can and then close with Poe? That Poe build is very tanky.

What kind of lists did you face?

Just now, BlodVargarna said:

Where have you been playing this?

Im thinking about trying out Rey/Poe again with some of the tweaks we've discussed.

Did you use Rey to cause as much havoc as she can and then close with Poe? That Poe build is very tanky.

What kind of lists did you face?

Waco, TX

Most games I would loose at most half points on Rey I don't think I lost a single ship in the 6 games.

Closest games were against a RAC with Kylo, Vader, Gunner Crew, engine upgrade and a normal Whisper with VI, FCS, and ACD. Kylo crew is murder against regen anything, combined with gunner and RAC's ability he can usually get one crit to hit you even when tanked up and with it going straight to hull regen doesn't help. Whisper dies fast when she ends up in front of either ship even with the cloak. I also saw a triple T-70, an Asajj, Fen, and Serissu Attanni list that the guy went 4-1 with in a nearby store championship tournament.

Hello! I've played a few games with a rey+poe list

YT-1300: · Rey (45)
Wired (1)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
· Finn (5)
· Ezra Bridger (3)
· Millennium Falcon (Segnor's Loop) (1)
Inertial Dampeners (1)
T-70 X-Wing: · Poe Dameron (31)
Push The Limit (3)
· BB-8 (2)
Autothrusters (2)
· Black One (1)
Sensor Cluster (2)
-- TOTAL ------- 97p. --

Still searching the best alternative for the last 3 points.

Actually, having both with PS8, helped me maneuvering and attacking.

I've had better results playing conservative and not aggressively.

Any idea about this list? I love to fly this kind of poe. Not sure how to spend the last 3 points: expertise instead of wired on rey maybe?

Thanks a lot for any advice.

On 3/17/2017 at 9:38 AM, gennataos said:

Below is my Rey/Poe list. It seems like the combo of the two should be a force, and it's good, but it's not great. Why is that?

Depends on what you play against I think. What is your local meta? Here in the current tournament scene a torp boat would eat this list for breakfast as would most scum lists with Fenn.

I have been playing this list and it's pretty efficient for offensive and defensive turns. You can drop counter measures and put VI on Rey if you want to get the iniative to maximize the efficiency of Poe's title.

YT-1300: · Rey (45)
Adaptability (0)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
· Finn (5)
· C3PO (3)
· Millennium Falcon (Segnor's Loop) (1)
Inertial Dampeners (1)

Counter Measures (3)

T-70 X-Wing: · Poe Dameron (31)
Push The Limit (3)
· BB-8 (2)
Autothrusters (2)
· Black One (1)
Sensor Cluster (2)
-- TOTAL ------- 100p. --

14 hours ago, LeVertLumiere said:

I have been playing this list and it's pretty efficient for offensive and defensive turns. You can drop counter measures and put VI on Rey if you want to get the iniative to maximize the efficiency of Poe's title.

YT-1300: · Rey (45)
Adaptability (0)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
· Finn (5)
· C3PO (3)
· Millennium Falcon (Segnor's Loop) (1)
Inertial Dampeners (1)

Counter Measures (3)

T-70 X-Wing: · Poe Dameron (31)
Push The Limit (3)
· BB-8 (2)
Autothrusters (2)
· Black One (1)
Sensor Cluster (2)
-- TOTAL ------- 100p. --

Hello LeVertLumiere, so we are playing similar lists. The configurati on of poe is the same!

I still prefer bb-8 over the other droids and with sensor cluster he uses to live longer...

About the falcon, is adaptability useful? And counter measures?

1 hour ago, Shinren said:

Hello LeVertLumiere, so we are playing similar lists. The configurati on of poe is the same!

I still prefer bb-8 over the other droids and with sensor cluster he uses to live longer...

About the falcon, is adaptability useful? And counter measures?

Using Poe with bb8 lets you eliminate two TL per turn and against builds with torpedoes it's very useful.

Counter measures is very useful in range 1 turns.