No.

Because that is specifically called out that the defender cannot speed tokens at Speed 0. This was also subject to a clarification, which allows Vader to Reroll by spending Tokens if he is at Speed 0, because at that point, he is a the attacker . Not the Defender.

I'm still believing its very particular.

Sloane can cause a token to be spent in in the Modify Dice Step (By the attacker)

Defense Tokens cannot be spent more than once during a single attack. ergo, if you get to the Defender Spends Defense Tokens step, they cannot spend that already spent token...

Not a big deal if you're a Ship.

Kind of a Big deal if you're an Ace.

Generic Squadrons are her Bane.

A little depressing to realize we likely wont know the answer to this for a solid 6+ months.

7 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Defense Tokens cannot be spent more than once during a single attack. ergo, if you get to the Defender Spends Defense Tokens step, they cannot spend that already spent token...

Oh so my original question then.

Sorry i thought you were on board with what most people were initially replying as where those points apply to the defender only.

39 minutes ago, Irokenics said:

Oh so my original question then.

Sorry i thought you were on board with what most people were initially replying as where those points apply to the defender only.

Oh! I think everyone agree that RAW avoid your opponent spending the token again. What most people you pointed at say that RAI here seems more probably as they think the rules were written this way attending style rather than straight understanding.

I think this too but the RAW is pretty clear and I won't force you to play RAI and anyone here I think will do.

4 hours ago, Irokenics said:

Oh so my original question then.

Sorry i thought you were on board with what most people were initially replying as where those points apply to the defender only.

Nope. For me, the points which are Defender only are specified as Defender only.

Getting an effect out of having tokens spent, is most certainly defender only.

5 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Nope. For me, the points which are Defender only are specified as Defender only.

Getting an effect out of having tokens spent, is most certainly defender only.

So do you think the defender can spend a token after Sloane has spent it? Since that point does not specify that the defender has to spend the token, despite it being implied.

15 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

So do you think the defender can spend a token after Sloane has spent it? Since that point does not specify that the defender has to spend the token, despite it being implied.

I've stated multiple times thusfar that, No. I do not believe they can.

On 03/17/2017 at 10:35 PM, Madaghmire said:

A little depressing to realize we likely wont know the answer to this for a solid 6+ months.

6? Im thinking xmas at the earliest. Wave 6 is scheduled for end of Q2. Q2 ends June 2017. FFG hasnt even been close to any Armada release date so we have to assume wave 6 will be released in August, ir later.

For some unknown crazy reason it takes them 6 months after a release for a simple and mostly vague FAQ for the previous release, so I will say wave 6 FAQ is released in Feb 2018, 11 months from now, meaning this card will be left in the tray until then, oooooof!

So, are there already proper team assignments? Sign me up for #TeamUnicornManeGlitteringPink!

I think Dras has this right (as usual), as far as the current rules text reads. But I am not sure if this is intended - I guess we will find out in several months time, when there is an official answer.

Until then, fire away, I am getting popcorn ready to enjoy several upcoming 19 page discussions.

We have to threaten 10 pages before I do a summary that breaks down the two main contentious points.

On 17/03/2017 at 3:01 PM, ovinomanc3r said:

The funniest thing is that against ships she is not awesome as squadrons throw 1 blue die. And people is becom crazy about that.

Yes, because Imagine you are attacking a ship that has already all tokens exhauted from the ship phase, and you roll your blue hoping for an effective hit and THEN... you get a disappointing accuracy on your only blue die :/ Sloane means you can turn that into something useful by then getting completely rid of a defense token

19 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Yes, because Imagine you are attacking a ship that has already all tokens exhauted from the ship phase, and you roll your blue hoping for an effective hit and THEN... you get a disappointing accuracy on your only blue die :/ Sloane means you can turn that into something useful by then getting completely rid of a defense token

Of course and there is nothing that discard defense tokens, exhaust them, make them useless or reduce their effect yet. At least not as cheap as a commander and not as plug&play as a 30% chance of get that acc. Completely broken...

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Of course and there is nothing that discard defense tokens, exhaust them, make them useless or reduce their effect yet. At least not as cheap as a commander and not as plug&play as a 30% chance of get that acc. Completely broken...

not something that transforms 1 die battery squadron accuracy into a real danger for imps

35 minutes ago, Visovics said:

not something that transforms 1 die battery squadron accuracy into a real danger for imps

Yes, Sloane makes blue die better. Is it useful? Yes. It is powerful? It is good of course. Now a screen fighter is something that we cannot just ignore but black bombers still being more dangerous. If you are looking for a defense killer you better play with Motti and several IO.

I am very happy about Sloane cause I like little aces squadron screens and big ships and those fleets suffer a lot from MSU with light screens. Yeah I clean the tables from squadrons and then what? Run a way from those anti-squqdorm shots. Now I have a reason to risk a 11points interceptor if I hope it will help my ships but Sloane is far of making them great against ships.

I propose this for everyone who wanted to try it: say a number between 0-96 (16 ties x 6 rounds) you think will be the number of times see you use the acc from Sloane and then play a game and see. I will try as soon as I could. Maybe next week I hope.

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

If you are looking for a defense killer you better play with Motti and several IO.

Or Sloane with IO and OP XD

6 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Yes, Sloane makes blue die better. Is it useful? Yes. It is powerful? It is good of course. Now a screen fighter is something that we cannot just ignore but black bombers still being more dangerous. If you are looking for a defense killer you better play with Motti and several IO.

I am very happy about Sloane cause I like little aces squadron screens and big ships and those fleets suffer a lot from MSU with light screens. Yeah I clean the tables from squadrons and then what? Run a way from those anti-squqdorm shots. Now I have a reason to risk a 11points interceptor if I hope it will help my ships but Sloane is far of making them great against ships.

I propose this for everyone who wanted to try it: say a number between 0-96 (16 ties x 6 rounds) you think will be the number of times see you use the acc from Sloane and then play a game and see. I will try as soon as I could. Maybe next week I hope.

She makes blue have an almost certain chance of making something, she doesn't only spends defense tokens, she also enables rerolling crits, so instead of having only the possibility of being useful is with a hit, she makes the whole die have a purpuose, unless you are EXTREMELY unlucky to re-roll into a crit again

If you spend their token does it say they don't get the effect? lol

21 minutes ago, SlappyWhite said:

If you spend their token does it say they don't get the effect? lol

Only the Defender can spend tokens to get Defense Tokens effects, as per the Rulebook section on Defense Tokens.

It also clarifies that Defense tokens can be spent due to other upgrade card effects, and they do not produce their basic effect while doing so.

37 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

It also clarifies that Defense tokens can be spent due to other upgrade card effects, and they do not produce their basic effect while doing so.

Uh, actually... RAW says they do not produce their basic effect if they are spend as part of the cost for resolving an effect. Nowhere does it say, or imply, that the same is true when "spending a token" is part of the effect itself.

Nitpicking, of course, but at this point aren't we all?

(Of course, this bullet point still doesn't apply to Sloane as the "normal effect" is only ever obtained when the defender spends the token. But still, food for thought.)

Just thinking: The only possibility to spend the same token twice during an attack is Vader-TRC, I cannot think of another way at the moment?

Vader and TRC have been in the game for quite some time, has there ever been an official ruling which could be helpful here?

2 hours ago, Visovics said:

She makes blue have an almost certain chance of making something, she doesn't only spends defense tokens, she also enables rerolling crits, so instead of having only the possibility of being useful is with a hit, she makes the whole die have a purpuose, unless you are EXTREMELY unlucky to re-roll into a crit again

Yes and all that is far from break the game.

1 hour ago, RocketPropelledGiraffe said:

Just thinking: The only possibility to spend the same token twice during an attack is Vader-TRC, I cannot think of another way at the moment?

Vader and TRC have been in the game for quite some time, has there ever been an official ruling which could be helpful here?

Its because Vader TRC is done in the attackers dice modification step, using the attackers defense tokens.

Where what we are discussing involves the Defenders Defense Token step.

It does not matter, right? The rule says the same token cannot be spent twice during one attack - the rule does not specifically call out the defender nor the defender's tokens.

23 minutes ago, RocketPropelledGiraffe said:

It does not matter, right? The rule says the same token cannot be spent twice during one attack - the rule does not specifically call out the defender nor the defender's tokens.

Yep.

Same token can't be spent twice.

Never seen anyone do it against me. Mostly because although you COULD to it with any ship that also had Needa on, Vader has been seen as such a sub-par choice until now that the Arquitens is really going to let people try.

Same Defense Token cannot be spent twice on one attack. Straight up, by RAW, that's how it is. No Vader then TRC.

But outside of Vader/TRC, I don't think there's another precedence of that allowance.

1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

Yep.

Same token can't be spent twice.

Never seen anyone do it against me. Mostly because although you COULD to it with any ship that also had Needa on, Vader has been seen as such a sub-par choice until now that the Arquitens is really going to let people try.

Same Defense Token cannot be spent twice on one attack. Straight up, by RAW, that's how it is. No Vader then TRC.

But outside of Vader/TRC, I don't think there's another precedence of that allowance.