On 3/21/2017 at 11:56 PM, LordBlades said:That ship sailed a long time ago.
"And here are my IG-88s and 4LOM with Glitterstim... How that's a thing I'm unsure, but here they are..."
It's pretty easy to fluff that as overclocking processors, actually.
On 3/23/2017 at 7:56 PM, Ubul said:And that's exactly why FFG needs to FAQ/errata the IG-2000 title and TIE Aggressor interaction, so we don't get to argue over common sense. The game designers the ones who get to decide, and nothing wrong if they use their common sense.
Noone advocates common sense as "Ultimate Judge". We advocate using common sense when designing the game rules.
Sorry, no, the way the designers create the rule has nothing to do with this situation and is never called into question (they can do as they please). Multiple posts in this thread essentially kept repeating that it's sad that FFG is now "forced" to "waste time" and errata the IG-2000 because people aren't able to use "common sense" and just want to win at any cost or something. The implication was that in a better world, players would just ignore the rule mistake on their own, following some immaterial "common sense".
People who want clear ruling aren't players who want to cheat, they are just players who wish to be protected from the whims of what their opponents may call "common sense".
Edited by Kumagoro17 minutes ago, Clancampbell said:So when do we think we'll see a spoiler and get to judge if this 8 page thread was worth it?
Adepticon this weekend seems like a great time to give us more spoilers. Though if it comes in article form, imperial is never first...
3 minutes ago, Squark said:It's pretty easy to fluff that as overclocking processors, actually.
As easy to fluff as an advanced synchronising computer between various TIE aggressors.
They seem to go in order when spoiling things, so that would mean the aggressor is the last thing we get spoils of (assuming no surprise additions later on)
Which blows. I wanna see what that EPT does. My gut tells me its an every other turn attack bonus.
Just now, Draconis Hegemonia said:
As easy to fluff as an advanced synchronising computer between various TIE aggressors.
Well, yes. But unless you like betting on really, really long odds, you shouldn't expect the IG-2000 title to go unerrata'd.
I like Breakfast!
Well that depends on what you're definition of breakfast is.
Well that would depend on what your definition of is, is.
I want peppered bacon and coffee before we determine if the word "is" in fact is a key word or a just used here as a verb.
When you speak I can't see your scary quotes so it is difficult to determine which is is which.
When did we get on the topic of Witches? I wanted to talk about breakfast.
3 minutes ago, Squark said:Well, yes. But unless you like betting on really, really long odds, you shouldn't expect the IG-2000 title to go unerrata'd.
Yes, I know it's vastly unlikely, but I still have a little tiny hope. I would be so so funny...
Not like it would take a huge amount of time to fix anyway.
'Whoops, hey go edit the PDF'. Unless they were someday intending to have IG-88 fight for the Empire (which would be awesome), this is going to involve exactly no periods of furrowed brows sitting around a table staring at the IG-2000 card wondering what tertiary implications may occur from them changing even one letter.
9 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:They seem to go in order when spoiling things, so that would mean the aggressor is the last thing we get spoils of (assuming no surprise additions later on)
Which blows. I wanna see what that EPT does. My gut tells me its an every other turn attack bonus.
I'm excited. First time the scum ship isn't last for spoilers if they do them in ordre like usual!
16 minutes ago, Rakky Wistol said:I like Breakfast!
Well that depends on what you're definition of breakfast is.
Well that would depend on what your definition of is, is.
I want peppered bacon and coffee before we determine if the word "is" in fact is a key word or a just used here as a verb.
When you speak I can't see your scary quotes so it is difficult to determine which is is which.
When did we get on the topic of Witches? I wanted to talk about breakfast.
Tricky things, definitions. If you meddle with them, you can interpret anything as anything . Which is why I don't think there really is such a thing as RAW.
55 minutes ago, Kumagoro said:People who want clear ruling aren't players who want to cheat, they are just players who wish to be protected by the whims of what their opponents may call "common sense".
Do you realize that the majority of us, so called "common sense warriors" want clear ruling, too? (OK, I admit that I was wrong and not every single one, but most of them do). Thats exactly why I expect an errata: because my common sense dictates that the entire issue is very likely just oversight from the developers (or they actually may be very well aware, and already have a plan to fix it), and my common also sense dictates that RAW should match RAI , in order to prevent people argue about common sense at the tables.
1 hour ago, Clancampbell said:So when do we think we'll see a spoiler and get to judge if this 8 page thread was worth it?
It's already not worth it.
Breakfast is always worth it!
4 hours ago, Thormind said:IG88 was a bounty hunter for the Imperials in the original trilogy... Honestly if FFG did not think about the IG title when naming the ship "Aggressor" they somewhat have a design problem...
FFG didn't make up the Aggressor name, though. They're just working with what's out there already (with a few exceptions).
Maybe when they made Iggy, they never thought they would dig this deep into the barrel, but the TIE Aggressor and Iggy's "Modified Aggressor Assault Fighter" predate the game, so there wasn't a lot they could do about that. (Though, for what it's worth, the TIE Interdictor/Punisher did stop by to say hello, the other day, but I'm not sure that was FFG's decision.)
Incidentally, my money's on a more specific errata making the IG2000 title something that can only be applied to a ship piloted by an IG88 to leave room for whatever means they eventually come up with to allow Scum to contract for the Empire and fly in the same Imperial list.
I've been hoping for the "imperial war machine" or the "Imperial Contractor" scum cross over since they did most wanted. The Firespray in general and the Imperial Firespray in particular need a lot of help.
The easiest way to fix this is to make a clarification in the rulles that "title" upgrades can only be equiped to the ship they originally came with.
2 minutes ago, tsondaboy said:The easiest way to fix this is to make a clarification in the rulles that "title" upgrades can only be equiped to the ship they originally came with.
The easiest way to fix it is to just make the IG2000 scum only
Your version could have other side effects. Say they decide they want to make an X-wing Only title that works for the T65 and T70 both, but only comes with one of the ships. Or a TIE Fighter Only title that works with the tie/ln, tie/fo and tie/sf. Either of those are easy to do with the existing rules, but woudln't work with yours unless it was released with all of the possible ships.
Edited by VanderLegion1 minute ago, VanderLegion said:The easiest way to fix it is to just make the IG2000 scum only
And leave room for more arguments in the future when they release a new title that could potentially be equipped to two different ships.
1 minute ago, tsondaboy said:And leave room for more arguments in the future when they release a new title that could potentially be equipped to two different ships.
I think it's more likely they'll want to design a title that can be used on multiple ships than they'll release another ship with a duplicate name.
Also, where would that leave, say, the Andrasta title?
Just now, Rodafowa said:I think it's more likely they'll want to design a title that can be used on multiple ships than they'll release another ship with a duplicate name.
Also, where would that leave, say, the Andrasta title?
True, if they ever want to make a Rogue Squadron title or something. I don't see a problem regarding Andastra though, since the Imperial Firespray might as well not be able to equip the same titles as the Scum one. Makes sense thematically to me.
"Rogue Squadron" or "Endor Veteran" for As and Xs is exactly what I was thinking of, yeah.
My point is that Andrasta didn't come with the Firespray (it's in Most Wanted), which means a hypothetical "titles only usable with the ships they come with" rule would need an exception made right out of the gate.
3 minutes ago, Rodafowa said:"Rogue Squadron" or "Endor Veteran" for As and Xs is exactly what I was thinking of, yeah.
My point is that Andrasta didn't come with the Firespray (it's in Most Wanted), which means a hypothetical "titles only usable with the ships they come with" rule would need an exception made right out of the gate.
This. Andrasta didn't come with a firespray, so it would be unusable. Unless you argue that it works because it came with the scum cardboard, but then you have issues that the slave 1 came with an imperial firespray and no scum cardboard, so does that still work?
6 hours ago, Rakky Wistol said:I like Breakfast!
Well that depends on what you're definition of breakfast is.
Well that would depend on what your definition of is, is.
I want peppered bacon and coffee before we determine if the word "is" in fact is a key word or a just used here as a verb.
When you speak I can't see your scary quotes so it is difficult to determine which is is which.
When did we get on the topic of Witches? I wanted to talk about breakfast.
Couldn't stop laughing.
48 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:This. Andrasta didn't come with a firespray, so it would be unusable. Unless you argue that it works because it came with the scum cardboard, but then you have issues that the slave 1 came with an imperial firespray and no scum cardboard, so does that still work?
Hmmm. Are we gonna start arguing now about basic stuff like whats the definition of a ship in this game?
Or isn't the Imperial Firespray clearly difined as a different ship from the Scum Firespray?
Edited by tsondaboy