37 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/9/6/the-garbage-will-do/

Pretty sure alex davy claled it an aces pack in an interview as wel

Yeah... not sure that's the same as the 'Rebel Veterans' pack as was stated. Certainly it's an aces pack, but it's a Poe and Rey based Force Awakens box, which is different than the Imperial Veteren's box would be.

Just saying, it doesn't say 'Rebel Veterans' on the box, nor does the article say, "As the Imps got their Vets box, this is the Vets box for the Rebs." I'd like to see more definitive proof.

Jacob

1 hour ago, Razgriz25thinf said:

People want to play stuff from the movies,

If that were true, we'd have seen Prequel ships a llloooooooooong time ago.

And, if it is true, Wave XI is a complete failure, given we still don't have Yoda, Obi-Wan, Blue Squadron, Seventh Sister, Fifth Brother, Thrawn, Commander Krennic or his shuttle, Shuttle Tydirium, Mining Guild TIEs, the Phantom II, Phoenix Squadron A-Wings or a Hammerhead Corvette.

10 minutes ago, jkokura said:

Yeah... not sure that's the same as the 'Rebel Veterans' pack as was stated. Certainly it's an aces pack, but it's a Poe and Rey based Force Awakens box, which is different than the Imperial Veteren's box would be.

Just saying, it doesn't say 'Rebel Veterans' on the box, nor does the article say, "As the Imps got their Vets box, this is the Vets box for the Rebs." I'd like to see more definitive proof.

Jacob

There's no such thing as a "Vets" box, that's just the name of their second aces pack. Imperial veterans is an aces pack. heroes of the resistance is an aces pack. Rebel and imperial have both had aces packs last year. Scum has 0 aces packs.

For frther evidence, both vets and heroes are listed in the "Xwing Aces" section of the x-wing products page on FFGs website

Just now, Darth Meanie said:

If that were true, we'd have seen Prequel ships a llloooooooooong time ago.

And, if it is true, Wave XI is a complete failure, given we still don't have Yoda, Obi-Wan, Blue Squadron, Seventh Sister, Fifth Brother, Thrawn, Commander Krennic or his shuttle, Mining Guild TIEs, the Phantom II, or Phoenix Squadron A-Wings.

uhm

i dunno about you but most of the people in the X-Wing community REALLY hate the prequels

in fact i seem to recall quite the backlash at just the ARC-170 being added.

I also seem to recall ALMOST ALL of those things you've mentioned constantly being asked for by members of the community

so

yeah

Just now, Razgriz25thinf said:

uhm

i dunno about you but most of the people in the X-Wing community REALLY hate the prequels

Yeah, I hate the Prequels. Doesn't mean I don't want a shiny yellow Naboo-1 for the game.

There are a LOT of very cool ships from the Prequels that I want to see on the table. Just don't force me to play the movies in the background

1 hour ago, Skargoth said:

Unguided LWF Scimitars are a slap to T65s so FFG better get on with it.

That might be a bit of an over-reaction. At 20 points, the Unguided LWF Scimitar is a highly action dependent, crit susceptible ship. A 22 point Rookie with IA and R2 has the freedom to spend a focus on defense without taking a double hit to damage. It's first two hit points are immune to crits and it has three more hit points that can be protected from a crit if needed.

If a generic 0 or 1 point astromech that boosted either offense or defense was released, I think the T-65 would come out ahead. The biggest advantage that Unguided LWF Scimitars have is that they are just cheap enough to fit a fifth one into a squad.

1 hour ago, VanderLegion said:

There's no such thing as a "Vets" box, that's just the name of their second aces pack. Imperial veterans is an aces pack. heroes of the resistance is an aces pack. Rebel and imperial have both had aces packs last year. Scum has 0 aces packs.

I don't disagree regarding scum. However, and perhaps it's a semantics question, I think your definition of 'aces box' is something different than what I've seen. I've never seen any of the designers say 'aces box,' and seen that the "imp vets expansion" is somehow exclusive.

Consider then that if the 'Heroes of the Rebellion' expansion is equivalent to the 'Imperial Veterens' expansion, what is the 'Most Wanted' expansion? Wouldn't that be the first 'aces' box for the scum?

In my understanding, until there's a clear statement on it, 'Heroes' is a special release, just as the Reb and Imp 'Aces' pack, as is the Imp 'Vets' pack. There is still the possibility of a Rebel 'Vets' pack, there is still the possibility of a Scum 'Aces' and 'Vets' pack. There is also the possibility of a 'Heroes' pack for Scum and the Imps. They're all different unless the designers say differently. If they have, I would love to see where.

Jacob

Am I the only person in the world that would like to see a Rebel vetrans box of E + Z?

Just now, tsuruki said:

Am I the only person in the world that would like to see a Rebel vetrans box of E + Z?

No, but I don't know that the Z will get it over the X and Y, which are more iconic. I think the Z is the best off of all three of those options. As a ship it doesn't seem broken bad or broken good. Generics and named pilots get played.

The E is generally unusable except for Corran, and the generics never see play. X's are so iconic and other than Biggs and Wes, don't see enough play. Only the Y generics see play. I think that's why those three are ahead of the Z.

Jacob

Just now, jkokura said:

No, but I don't know that the Z will get it over the X and Y, which are more iconic. I think the Z is the best off of all three of those options. As a ship it doesn't seem broken bad or broken good. Generics and named pilots get played.

The E is generally unusable except for Corran, and the generics never see play. X's are so iconic and other than Biggs and Wes, don't see enough play. Only the Y generics see play. I think that's why those three are ahead of the Z.

Jacob

You are not incorrect but FFG seems to have a habit of not caring what's iconic or not, seing how the classic X-wing is still trash while a Wookie ship is being released

No doubt they will have got the message we all want the X-Wing to be brought up to a competitive level. Lets hope that they have allocated those changes to an expansion for 2017!

8 minutes ago, tsuruki said:

You are not incorrect but FFG seems to have a habit of not caring what's iconic or not, seing how the classic X-wing is still trash while a Wookie ship is being released

I wouldn't say it's trash, I think it's a matter of opinion, but there are still very useable pilots for the x-wing.

I dunno. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but calling it trash might be a little strong. Underplayed certainly.

But how hard must it be to do anything without making the ship broken! Anything they do will only make Biggs better! That's a tough nut to crack.

Jacob

15 minutes ago, jkokura said:

I don't disagree regarding scum. However, and perhaps it's a semantics question, I think your definition of 'aces box' is something different than what I've seen. I've never seen any of the designers say 'aces box,' and seen that the "imp vets expansion" is somehow exclusive.

Consider then that if the 'Heroes of the Rebellion' expansion is equivalent to the 'Imperial Veterens' expansion, what is the 'Most Wanted' expansion? Wouldn't that be the first 'aces' box for the scum?

In my understanding, until there's a clear statement on it, 'Heroes' is a special release, just as the Reb and Imp 'Aces' pack, as is the Imp 'Vets' pack. There is still the possibility of a Rebel 'Vets' pack, there is still the possibility of a Scum 'Aces' and 'Vets' pack. There is also the possibility of a 'Heroes' pack for Scum and the Imps. They're all different unless the designers say differently. If they have, I would love to see where.

Jacob

Apparently you're going to completely ignore my last post where FFGs own website has vets and heroes both listed under "x-wing aces"? And the one before that showing that the heroes article literally calls heroes an aces box?

how about the imperial veterans article that states "Like the Imperial Aces Expansion Pack and Rebel AcesExpansion Pack before it,"

And most wanted wasn't an aces pack, it was more akin to scum's core set

Just now, VanderLegion said:

Apparently you're going to completely ignore my last post where FFGs own website has vets and heroes both listed under "x-wing aces"? And the one before that showing that the heroes article literally calls heroes an aces box?

how about the imperial veterans article that states "Like the Imperial Aces Expansion Pack and Rebel AcesExpansion Pack before it,"

I'm not ignoring your statements, I'm saying something different. How many times do I have to say what I have already said and you'll hear me?

Aces boxes - there's two of them. One is Rebel, one is Imperial. Heroes box - there's one of them, it's Rebel. Veterans box - there's one of them and it's imperial. There's still the potential for a Rebel Vets, an Imperial Heroes, and a Scum Heroes and Vets box. All of them have unique names. Until the developers say, "There's no Vets box for Rebs, because Heroes filled that spot," I don't think it's unreasonable to think that there's the potential for the release. Similarly, until they say, "there's no Heroes (Villains?) box for the Imperials," there's no reason to think that the potential is not there.

Is that clear?

Jacob

HOTR was like Most Wanted, a special box that helped out a new(ish) faction by repainting/reprinting existing ships. It's also the opposing box to the Upsilon if you go by price point. But I doubt we will see an 'aces' style release for the X-wing or Y, E or Z. Which is a shame because Blue Leader (!) totally needs to be in this game, as well as lots of X-wing pilots that didn't make the cut the first time around. Ys need Pops and Tiree of course. Rogue Squadron pilots totally need to be a thing, both a mid PS EPT pilot and as a title like Royal Guards. And a generic Astro that makes IA worth the mod slot.

Anyway, I guess Scummy Aces will happen soon, with Starviper in virago colors and Khiraxz-variant. The second scum huge will likely be a corvette-like ship, maybe the Jabba cruiser with Z-95 and scum Han finally. But there's lots of clone wars and rebels scummie ships to choose from.

FFG has a way surprising us, and sometimes not in a good way, so we will just have to wait and see.

3 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

If that were true, we'd have seen Prequel ships a llloooooooooong time ago.

And, if it is true, Wave XI is a complete failure, given we still don't have Yoda, Obi-Wan, Blue Squadron, Seventh Sister, Fifth Brother, Thrawn, Commander Krennic or his shuttle, Shuttle Tydirium, Mining Guild TIEs, the Phantom II, Phoenix Squadron A-Wings or a Hammerhead Corvette.

Yea don't remind me. I was glad they had switched to all canon ships recently, and I had hoped the arc-170 was a sign they were going to release more prequel ships. Well this wave really spat on both of those ideas. Really frustrating not having the ships from some of my favorite star wars movies in the game yet.

Also in regards to the x-wing, you gotta remember it already has TEN pilots, eight of them unique. That's more than every ship in the game except for the t-70 (10), tie interceptor (11), and tie fighter (13). So if they do any more x-wing fixes, it will likely be indirectly such as a new astromech/modification/torpedo that works really well on the x-wing.

The y-wing could certainly use more pilots though. But I'm sure the next rebel ship to get a aces/vets treatment will be the E-wing.

54 minutes ago, jkokura said:

I'm not ignoring your statements, I'm saying something different. How many times do I have to say what I have already said and you'll hear me?

Aces boxes - there's two of them. One is Rebel, one is Imperial. Heroes box - there's one of them, it's Rebel. Veterans box - there's one of them and it's imperial. There's still the potential for a Rebel Vets, an Imperial Heroes, and a Scum Heroes and Vets box. All of them have unique names. Until the developers say, "There's no Vets box for Rebs, because Heroes filled that spot," I don't think it's unreasonable to think that there's the potential for the release. Similarly, until they say, "there's no Heroes (Villains?) box for the Imperials," there's no reason to think that the potential is not there.

Is that clear?

Jacob

So...ffg themselves calling them aces boxes in three different places doesn't make them aces boxes, gotcha. Note, I'm not saying we can't or won't get an"rebel veterans" or "heroes of the first order" in the future, just that they're ALL aces packs, so rebels and imperials already got packs last year and scum is due one next.

And as I pointed out in an earlier post, alex Davy HAS called heroes an aces pack in an interview, but I don't care enough to dig through them all to find it. If someone else remembers and wants to chime in they can, I'm done arguing about it.

24 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

HOTR was like Most Wanted, a special box that helped out a new(ish) faction by repainting/reprinting existing ships. It's also the opposing box to the Upsilon if you go by price point. But I doubt we will see an 'aces' style release for the X-wing or Y, E or Z. Which is a shame because Blue Leader (!) totally needs to be in this game, as well as lots of X-wing pilots that didn't make the cut the first time around. Ys need Pops and Tiree of course. Rogue Squadron pilots totally need to be a thing, both a mid PS EPT pilot and as a title like Royal Guards. And a generic Astro that makes IA worth the mod slot.

Anyway, I guess Scummy Aces will happen soon, with Starviper in virago colors and Khiraxz-variant. The second scum huge will likely be a corvette-like ship, maybe the Jabba cruiser with Z-95 and scum Han finally. But there's lots of clone wars and rebels scummie ships to choose from.

FFG has a way surprising us, and sometimes not in a good way, so we will just have to wait and see.

Heroes is not like most wanted. It's literally an aces pack. New pilots and upgrades for a existing ships in the same faction (albeit a different subfaction this time). Most wanted was getting some extra ships for a whole new faction that they didn't have before (and keep them from only having the couple ships realeased unique to their faction). It also came with even more dials and bases for other ships besides the ones in the pack.

1 hour ago, jkokura said:

I don't disagree regarding scum. However, and perhaps it's a semantics question, I think your definition of 'aces box' is something different than what I've seen. I've never seen any of the designers say 'aces box,' and seen that the "imp vets expansion" is somehow exclusive.

Consider then that if the 'Heroes of the Rebellion' expansion is equivalent to the 'Imperial Veterens' expansion, what is the 'Most Wanted' expansion? Wouldn't that be the first 'aces' box for the scum?

In my understanding, until there's a clear statement on it, 'Heroes' is a special release, just as the Reb and Imp 'Aces' pack, as is the Imp 'Vets' pack. There is still the possibility of a Rebel 'Vets' pack, there is still the possibility of a Scum 'Aces' and 'Vets' pack. There is also the possibility of a 'Heroes' pack for Scum and the Imps. They're all different unless the designers say differently. If they have, I would love to see where.

Jacob

Kinda saw Most Wanted as the core set for scum not really an aces pack.

But yes I would like to see a Rebel pack with new X and Y but I'd love to see a most wanted 2 that fixed Starviper and Keraxic (or however you spell it) that adds cards and so on for scum YTs I don't have to have Solo but scum Lando would be nice

2 hours ago, tsuruki said:

Am I the only person in the world that would like to see a Rebel vetrans box of E + Z?

Not at all, and I don't play Rebels, but just might for that. I love those ships and the poor T-65.

5 hours ago, SoontirFelTGE said:

Um... I dunno about you guys but the X-Wing's still amazing. Wedge and Wes do phenomenal, put VI on Wes to strip a token and then have wedge reduce their agility is wonderful, it melts aces and other ships.

I play this very often. It's really fun. Even I have to admit though, it suffers to some newer stuff. It can't melt aces it can't shoot, which will happen, and it can't tank very well, and arc dodging is a challenge (very rewarding when it works) still a favorite of mine though. I'm curious, who's your third ship? I like Hobbie or Braylen, but I have tried a few others.

"I must not hope.

Hope is the mindkiller.

Hope is the little-death that brings total obliteration..."

(I may have gotten a word or three wrong there)

3 hours ago, jkokura said:

I don't disagree regarding scum. However, and perhaps it's a semantics question, I think your definition of 'aces box' is something different than what I've seen. I've never seen any of the designers say 'aces box,' and seen that the "imp vets expansion" is somehow exclusive.

Consider then that if the 'Heroes of the Rebellion' expansion is equivalent to the 'Imperial Veterens' expansion, what is the 'Most Wanted' expansion? Wouldn't that be the first 'aces' box for the scum?

In my understanding, until there's a clear statement on it, 'Heroes' is a special release, just as the Reb and Imp 'Aces' pack, as is the Imp 'Vets' pack. There is still the possibility of a Rebel 'Vets' pack, there is still the possibility of a Scum 'Aces' and 'Vets' pack. There is also the possibility of a 'Heroes' pack for Scum and the Imps. They're all different unless the designers say differently. If they have, I would love to see where.

Jacob

The Most Wanted Expansion is part of Wave 6. It's not a Core Set and it's not an Aces Pack.

FFG can definitely have other products that use "Heroes of X" or "X Vets" but that's immaterial. HoTR wasn't literally Rebel Vets, it just filled the Aces pack slot for Rebels in the same cycle that Imperial Vets filled that slot for Imperials.

1 hour ago, VanderLegion said:

So...ffg themselves calling them aces boxes in three different places doesn't make them aces boxes, gotcha. Note, I'm not saying we can't or won't get an"rebel veterans" or "heroes of the first order" in the future, just that they're ALL aces packs, so rebels and imperials already got packs last year and scum is due one next.

And as I pointed out in an earlier post, alex Davy HAS called heroes an aces pack in an interview, but I don't care enough to dig through them all to find it. If someone else remembers and wants to chime in they can, I'm done arguing about it.

Heroes is not like most wanted. It's literally an aces pack. New pilots and upgrades for a existing ships in the same faction (albeit a different subfaction this time). Most wanted was getting some extra ships for a whole new faction that they didn't have before (and keep them from only having the couple ships realeased unique to their faction). It also came with even more dials and bases for other ships besides the ones in the pack.

Lol.

You do realize that the start of this is that someone else said "HOTR was the Rebel Vets release," and I asked for a citation. This whole time, I thought that was the discussion we were having.

"Like" an aces box is not the same as an Aces box. Does it look similar? Yes. Is it categorized similarly? Absolutely. Is the title on the boxes on store shelves different? Yes. Is there potential for more releases using similar words? Yes.

I agree, I'm done arguing. I don't know why you entered this discussion. I don't think you've been understanding my request at all. I asked for a citation on when the designers said that the HOTR was the Rebel Vets release. An 'Aces type' box it is, but is a Heroes release, not a Vets release.

Hopefully this is clearer now?

Jacob

PS. I never said Most Wanted was an Aces box, I merely asked a rhetorical question. I made the suggestion that, given a different viewpoint, it to could be considered an 'Aces type' release. I don't think it is, but it could be. Really, I think sales people have more to do with the branding and catagorizing than the developers.