So the new wookie gunship comes with the reinforce action, but reinforce has a limitation, it can only be used on half of the ship. Thus the 180 aux arc has been given not just to act as a 180 firing arc, but also allow it to make the reinforce action.
So with that in mind lets talk about the other 180 firing arc. Could the YV-666 be given a mod/title/upgrade to give it the Reinforce action? How would that affect it in the meta?
I'm trying to think of the polite way to say absolutely not.
666 is already pretty solid. It doesn't need help.
3 minutes ago, LunarSol said:I'm trying to think of the polite way to say absolutely not.
In that case I say FFG should errata Maneuvering Fins upgrade to include "Your action bare gains the <reinforce> action"
Not a bad idea to experiment. Yv 666 is really a Large ship and feels quite heavy. Reinforce is something to consider when talking about Agi 1 valuable ships.
Perhaps the Party Bus could equip a Title...paying perhaps 2 or 3 pts. Our Punisher fix was adding this Action (180 degree). But Punisher is badly overcosted
5 minutes ago, Hexdot said:Not a bad idea to experiment. Yv 666 is really a Large ship and feels quite heavy. Reinforce is something to consider when talking about Agi 1 valuable ships.
Perhaps the Party Bus could equip a Title...paying perhaps 2 or 3 pts. Our Punisher fix was adding this Action (180 degree). But Punisher is badly overcosted
The biggest problem with TIE Punisher is the lack of 180 deg auxiliary firing arc, as reinforce is only supposed to work on half the ship. I don't know how it could be errata to allow it for all other ships. It would be too complicated with all the different firing arcs PWT act loke standard arcs, MFAs and Rear Aux act the same. So we have 3 diffrent reinforce configurations. Huge Ships and 180deg Aux will act the same, primary and PWT will have in arc/out of arc reinforce options. MFA and Rear Aux will have 4 directional reinforce actions.
I think it would be better to limit it to Huge Ships and 180deg Aux as the only ships to have reinforce actions.
You know, the Yv-666 already has a 6 point title that no one ever uses... Maybe they could add the Reinforce action to that. Then, if you want the Reinforce Action, you've really got to pay for it.
In many games the minis have 180 degree of vision, so no problem with non printed 180 degree. Square base make this simple.
Main question is about game balance. The Punisher needs some love. Yv 666 is quite good ship. Probably Reinforcing Party Bus should be OP unless you pay...X points. But interesting.
2 minutes ago, Hexdot said:In many games the minis have 180 degree of vision, so no problem with non printed 180 degree. Square base make this simple.
Main question is about game balance. The Punisher needs some love. Yv 666 is quite good ship. Probably Reinforcing Party Bus should be OP unless you pay...X points. But interesting.
Actually not having a definitive line will make it complicate things. If you are in a tournament standing you want inarguable and irrefutable rulings on what constitutes in or out. So sure square bases make things simple but you can still make a litigated argument on what is front and what is back on ships like Firesprays or TIE Punishers that will literally freeze the rulings.
Punisher needs help, no question about it and more so than the classic (T-65) X-wing. It is getting it with the new missiles and the new modifications. Now of course YV-666 doesn't need anymore help but again this thread was more exploring the implications of how FFG has taken the reinforce action from huge ships in Epic and given them to standard ships in X-wing.