8 minutes ago, TheCallum said:

GR75 vs Gozanti

Pelta vs Quasar

Admonition vs Demolisher

TRC90 vs Arquitens

In summary: Both sides have good stuff.

Remember when Sato was announced?

Remember the outcry of OP OP OP!

Yeah, maybe we should wait until we get the final card and can play with them before we start talkig about how Armada is dead again.

1. Ive seen too many times a Gozanti double arc and kill a ship in turn 5-6.
2. Squadron 3 vs squadron 4 and will see, cant see your point here.
3. Seriously? Are you even trying to compare Demolisher with ... anything?
4. Arquitens is way more solid and sorry to tell you, but it is aswell a TRCArquitens.

In summary, both sides have good stuff only the imps have better stuff. I know, is thematic, cool, but Luke is not using the force in my games.
I do remmember the OP cry of the imperials, it was everywhere. Where is Sato now?

Please dont misunderstand me, Im not saying is dead, im saying the Rebel faction is nearly to, Id like to see a poll topic on what faction flys usually everyone. My bets are 8/2 for the imps. Just saying.

Is it just me, or do both ships look enormous on their stands?

The scale seems to be getting a bit worse.

That said, it was good to see some news. I won't be getting either of these, but at least now we know there will be more ships made.

4 minutes ago, SoonerTed said:

TIE fighters roll 3 blue dice. The odds of rolling at least one accuracy are higher than 25%. (I'm not sure of the exact math myself, as I don't remember the formula off-hand, but it's much higher than 25%).

Ships , not squads. . . he's referring to the anti-ship die.

4 minutes ago, xerpo said:

1. Ive seen too many times a Gozanti double arc and kill a ship in turn 5-6.
2. Squadron 3 vs squadron 4 and will see, cant see your point here.
3. Seriously? Are you even trying to compare Demolisher with ... anything?
4. Arquitens is way more solid and sorry to tell you, but it is aswell a TRCArquitens.

In summary, both sides have good stuff only the imps have better stuff. I know, is thematic, cool, but Luke is not using the force in my games.
I do remmember the OP cry of the imperials, it was everywhere. Where is Sato now?

regarding 1: activationa advantage is KEY and the gr-75 is better because its cheaper. BORING YET EFFECTIVE.

regarding 2: i see your Quazar and i raise you YAVARIS.

regarding 3: if you havent seen just HOW POWERFUL a properly kitted admonition is... idk what to say. demolisher is SO MUCH EASIER TO USE. i agree. but admonition's raw power and synergies tilt everyone and proved itself at worlds and vassal.

regarding 4: an arquittens with TRC will only use it once, as it will get burned out by getting shot and forced to evade again. TRC90s have two evades, not one. INVALUABLE difference. also, arquittens only have one good arc, cr90s have devastating doublearc.

3 minutes ago, xerpo said:

In summary, both sides have good stuff...

Correct.

3 minutes ago, xerpo said:

...only the imps have better stuff.

Very debatable.

<dupe>

...are we debating imperials being more powerful than rebels after THIS regionals season?.... for real? it should be clear that the two sides are "close enough but results say rebels are slightly better".

5 minutes ago, NobodyInParticular said:

Ships , not squads. . . he's referring to the anti-ship die.

The post I was originally responding too was talking about attacking Rikeean Aces. In that example, the TIEs would be using 3 dice, and have a much higher chance of stripping a defense token than 25%.

Nailed an ISD will 9 hull left last night with an Admonition APT/OE/Xi7 double arc just last night as it happens... Just saying. Demo is not the be-all and end-all.

(as an aside, said Admonition then limped away and got nailed by an Interdictor side arc of all things...)

10 minutes ago, Kikaze said:

YES, REBELS(the ones i mentioned) ARE ALL ABOUT THE TITLES. who cares? you can use them and kick butts.

Except, of course, when you can't.

25 minutes ago, xerpo said:

Please tell me what is IYO wich is the cheap decent carrier for the rebels and compare it with the quasar. Please tell me what is IYO the decent Brawler for the rebels and compare it with Avenger or Demolisher. Please tell me what is IYO the decent sniper for the rebels and compare it with a single Arquitens. Please tell me what is IYO the decent tanker for the rebels and compare it with an Interdictor.

Carrier: Pelta, AFFM, expanded hangar bays, flight commander. fact. 76 points, pushes 4 squadrons like crazy.

Brawler: admonition, h9s, OE, expanded launchers. Accuracy every arc, 4 other dice of damage the rest of the arc. I've one shotted VSDs with this.

Tank: Ackbar super loaded pickle with all the trimmings

Sniper: Neb B, TRCR90, take your pick.

1 minute ago, SoonerTed said:

The post I was originally responding too was talking about attacking Rikeean Aces. In that example, the TIEs would be using 3 dice, and have a much higher chance of stripping a defense token than 25%.

Erm. . . the quote by Dras you were responding to only referenced ships. . . I haven't recently read the original post, so I don't remember it, but perhaps, given the use of ships instead of squads, he changed topic?

Just now, Drasnighta said:

Except, of course, when you can't.

explain? you mean like in corellian conflict for uniqueness reasons?

Just now, Kikaze said:

explain? you mean like in corellian conflict for uniqueness reasons?

No Need to Explain, you got it in One


Sure, its not a tournament consideration - but it is still one to make...

1 minute ago, Kikaze said:

explain? you mean like in corellian conflict for uniqueness reasons?

Or when you have more ship models on the table than there are titles for them I guess

1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:

Sure, its not a tournament consideration - but it is still one to make...

Perhaps even a more important one, given that I understand more people play casually at home then go to tournaments.

good grief this is to 18 pages already?

im loving this release but theres yet more cards i feel confused about. Boarding Crews for instance, spending indicates you can discard tokens but is there anything preventing you from using 2 "spends" to just completely remove a token right off the bat?

CC has a completely different balancing system, being a teamgame.

regarding TOURNAMENTS, which in my opinion is the only environment in need of balance (for casual games, you can make tons of stuff, even houserules), you can just build a tournament worthy list using the combinations available to you. if you stick to that and throw away "thematic" lists, its ok for the rebels(MORE than ok as recent tourneys showed)

Just now, Kikaze said:

CC has a completely different balancing system, being a teamgame.

regarding TOURNAMENTS, which in my opinion is the only environment in need of balance (for casual games, you can make tons of stuff, even houserules), you can just build a tournament worthy list using the combinations available to you. if you stick to that and throw away "thematic" lists, its ok for the rebels(MORE than ok as recent tourneys showed)

I don't believe its Black-And-White... Tournaments need Rules, yes. Casual Games also need rules and Balance. Casual games are not always under the assumption of "whatever goes"... Casual Games on Casual Meetups are just as much in need of rules frameworks and balance. Because not everyone plays casual games the same way.

2 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

good grief this is to 18 pages already?

im loving this release but theres yet more cards i feel confused about. Boarding Crews for instance, spending indicates you can discard tokens but is there anything preventing you from using 2 "spends" to just completely remove a token right off the bat?

It'd have to come from two different sources. So two Boarding crews could remove a token, or two TIE fighters, if they both get accuracies and had Sloane as an admiral.

5 minutes ago, NobodyInParticular said:

Perhaps even a more important one, given that I understand more people play casually at home then go to tournaments.

ok, listen, listen.

I have a friend that insists on bringing stuff like Enhanced Armament cr90s with ackbar and/or 4 x Lancers as his sole fighter screen (yes you read that correct). bottom line, i am a very mediocre player but he is so much worse.

He is my friend. when i play with him, i dont build my Screed list with Clonisher. bring my Tagge list with VSDs, if you know what i mean.

other than that, between two equal players, both can always build good armylists. its been proven unless you play like 2.000 pts vs 2.000 pts. possibly even then given the proper card combos owned.

6 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

good grief this is to 18 pages already?

Armada is growing...I think CC has really been a great pull. I hope that they continue with that sort of expansion.

1 minute ago, Kikaze said:

ok, listen, listen.

I have a friend that insists on bringing stuff like Enhanced Armament cr90s with ackbar and/or 4 x Lancers as his sole fighter screen (yes you read that correct). bottom line, i am a very mediocre player but he is so much worse.

He is my friend. when i play with him, i dont build my Screed list with Clonisher. bring my Tagge list with VSDs, if you know what i mean.

I think so. What I myself meant was that given that the game had to be balanced for casual play as well, and more people played it casually, then any effect that affected the casual play more than the tournament play could be considered to be more serious, given the number of players it affects, than those that just affect tournaments. That said, of course you could have house rules and the courtesy not to make fleets knowing what the other is running and whatnot, but if the game requires heavy player modification to play casually, something's not right.

you WOULD be correct if there was a single 100% balanced game out there. but you cannot have 100% balanced, even chess is imbalanced (whites moving first).you can only have "acceptably balanced", which this game is.

1 minute ago, Kikaze said:

ok, listen, listen.

I have a friend that insists on bringing stuff like Enhanced Armament cr90s with ackbar and/or 4 x Lancers as his sole fighter screen (yes you read that correct). bottom line, i am a very mediocre player but he is so much worse.

He is my friend. when i play with him, i dont build my Screed list with Clonisher. bring my Tagge list with VSDs, if you know what i mean.

You are a good friend to be nice to him like that. Not to toot my own horn too much, but have you considered pointing him at our blog? Im really not trying to sound conceited, but @Snipafist and i have a bunch of articles and are focusing on helping new people learn.

http://cannotgetyourshipout.blogspot.com/?m=1