Ok so "Small ship only " is accounted for when you build a squad.

TECHNICALLY you can now:

-Take Large scum ship with crew and illiclit.

-Equip Hotshot Blaster and Vizago

-Swap Hotshot for Cloaking Device (since Vizago does not even equip the card - he just says "swap")

- Cloak next turn.

-Screw the system

I'm sure ffg will rule it that it must follow the same play restrictions (otherwise asmorigan could swap out a gunner for princess leis, Han Solo, darth vader, etc.)

3 minutes ago, DeathstarII said:

I'm sure ffg will rule it that it must follow the same play restrictions (otherwise asmorigan could swap out a gunner for princess leis, Han Solo, darth vader, etc.)

Oh dear... Didn't even consider those possibilities xD

Yeah, definitely gonna get Errata/FAQ'd.

Though I hope they don't change Vizago being able to swap cloaking device after cloaking... Would be pretty great on some ships

7 minutes ago, DeathstarII said:

I'm sure ffg will rule it that it must follow the same play restrictions (otherwise asmorigan could swap out a gunner for princess leis, Han Solo, darth vader, etc.)

1 minute ago, RejjeN said:

Oh dear... Didn't even consider those possibilities xD

Yeah, definitely gonna get Errata/FAQ'd.

Though I hope they don't change Vizago being able to swap cloaking device after cloaking... Would be pretty great on some ships

Im also sure they will at some point (i myself didnt even though about cross-faction swaps) but for now we have cloaking Firesprays

i was pretty sure they wouldnt bother faq'ing the cloak swap but given that this kinda mandates some form of faq i could see them killing two birds with one stone while theyre at it.

It is, after all, a really weird mechanic that kinda makes no sense even if its not broken by any means. Cloak itself is underwhelming, its Adv Cloaking thats stupid.

2 minutes ago, Vitalis said:

Im also sure they will at some point (i myself didnt even though about cross-faction swaps) but for now we have cloaking Firesprays

Eeeeh... Considering the card isn't out yet I would hardly expect an erratum on it anytime soon. If you want to proxy it in a way that's (pretty clearly to me anyways) against the intent, then be my guest, but until we know it will actually work like that it seems like a waste of time. If it's just "for the lulz" you might as well put a cannon on a tie fighter while you're at it

Going by that, we can also swap in burnout slam onto small ships, like the G1As, HWKs and Quadjumpers. which would be silly on a quadjumper with Pattern Analyzer, especially with Zuvio. "Reveal reverse, drop a bomb, move back, pattern analyzer to burnout slam to back away again. "

Once we played one Scenario when a Raider was mounting one experimental Cloak Engine. Loaded with short range ordnance (Clusters) and Quad Lasers. When it Cloaked Turn 2 Rebel players thought it was a joke. Was not. One turn Receiving CR 90's Turbolasers with 2 Green Dices. Next turn Decloak (no extra move) and start firing Clusters and Quads.

Quite shocking. And fun.

If you tried to pull this against me in a game I would just laugh at you.

You might as well tell me that you can swap in Grand Moff Tarkin and strip tokens at Range 4.

It's not going to happen.

48 minutes ago, Vitalis said:

Ok so "Small ship only " is accounted for when you build a squad.

TECHNICALLY you can now:

-Take Large scum ship with crew and illiclit.

-Equip Hotshot Blaster and Vizago

-Swap Hotshot for Cloaking Device (since Vizago does not even equip the card - he just says "swap")

- Cloak next turn.

-Screw the system

No ship that large can have a cloaking device!!

Does Feedback Array work while Cloaked?

Because staying Perma cloaked while doing this sounds insane.

Even with out those shenanigans, would it bypass unique restrictions?

How does anyone really think that this swap invalidates what is printed on the cards? You can argue all you want that you can swap cards, but I can argue that you can't equip or use those based on faction or ship restrictions.

11 minutes ago, Talamare said:

Does Feedback Array work while Cloaked?

Because staying Perma cloaked while doing this sounds insane.

It is unclear, but probably not. For Feedback Array, you don't need to be able to attack (You don't need a ship in your arc to give your ship an available target, for example), but you need to have the opportunity to attack.

You can use Feedback while you have the Blinded Pilot crit (There is necessarily an opportunity to attack here, the card demands it to flip facedown)

But you can't use it while on a rock or with a weapons disabled token - there is never an opportunity to attack in the first place, so you don't get the option of using Feedback Array. I would guess that Cloaking will be ruled similarly. On the same note, you can't flip a Blinded Pilot crit while Cloaked. If you can't do that, I don't see why you should be able to Feedback Array.

6 minutes ago, Mangipan said:

It is unclear, but probably not. For Feedback Array, you don't need to be able to attack (You don't need a ship in your arc to give your ship an available target, for example), but you need to have the opportunity to attack.

You can use Feedback while you have the Blinded Pilot crit (There is necessarily an opportunity to attack here, the card demands it to flip facedown)

But you can't use it while on a rock or with a weapons disabled token - there is never an opportunity to attack in the first place, so you don't get the option of using Feedback Array. I would guess that Cloaking will be ruled similarly. On the same note, you can't flip a Blinded Pilot crit while Cloaked. If you can't do that, I don't see why you should be able to Feedback Array.

Alright, but BMST would still work fine since that one is just an action

Ruthless Freelancer (25) G-1A Starfighter (23), Cikatro Vizago (0), Collision Detector (0), Cloaking Device (2)

8 HP, 3 AGI. Could also do HWK with 5 HP, 4 AGI and quite a few useful pilot skills.

1 hour ago, RejjeN said:

Oh dear... Didn't even consider those possibilities xD

Yeah, definitely gonna get Errata/FAQ'd.

Though I hope they don't change Vizago being able to swap cloaking device after cloaking... Would be pretty great on some ships

Given that there's already precedent for what happens when you remove the cloaking device from a cloaked ship (it stays cloaked until it chooses to decloak as normal, then can't cloak again) because Boba crew can remove them, I very much doubt they'd change that.

10 minutes ago, Talamare said:

Alright, but BMST would still work fine since that one is just an action

Ruthless Freelancer (25) G-1A Starfighter (23), Cikatro Vizago (0), Collision Detector (0), Cloaking Device (2)

8 HP, 3 AGI. Could also do HWK with 5 HP, 4 AGI and quite a few useful pilot skills.

8HP 3 AGI and no ability to attack (probably not even Feedback).

Besides the small ship only not going to happen.

However if FFG did release a large base ship with a cloaking device they might have to add an addendum to the cloaking/decloaking rules (such as using a 1 instead of a 2 for decloaking).

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

8HP 3 AGI and no ability to attack (probably not even Feedback).

BMST deals damage without attacking, and there are plenty of support pilot abilities on the HWK that you're better off just focusing on keeping the ship/ability alive.

2 hours ago, USCGrad90 said:

How does anyone really think that this swap invalidates what is printed on the cards? You can argue all you want that you can swap cards, but I can argue that you can't equip or use those based on faction or ship restrictions.

This falls into a RAI versus RAW argument. The Rules Reference Guide clearly states that the limitations are only in effect during Squad Building and Deployment - which has been fine up until now as no one could ever swap out cards in mid-game before. However, as written, it doesn't say that these limitations are in effect during the game. I entirely agree with you, that the intent is that size/faction limitations are meant to be in effect at all times, but the Rules Lawyers will argue otherwise.

Enjoy!

57 minutes ago, Slugrage said:

The Rules Reference Guide clearly states that the limitations are only in effect during Squad Building and Deployment...

I would argue (with the same type of Rules Lawyering) against the idea it actually states that limitations are ONLY in effect during Squad Building.

In a separate paragraph from the text about squad building, it discusses the traits of Upgrade cards, which include limitations by faction, ship size, and ship type. Based on this separation of text, it can be argued that those traits apply at all times during the game to the upgrade cards with specific text.

I ALSO realize that this debate can go back and forth, so it would be good if FFG would address this when the card is released.