1 minute ago, pt106 said:

Well.. we were talking about viability not easiness or hotness. Are other builds stronger? No. Quicker, easier, more seductive.

And the benefit of taking non-mainstream build is that people usually don't know what to expect from it or how to react to it.

No, we're talking about whether the tools of building lists have enough tools to make a well rounded ISD that has the average potential equal or only slightly less possible than other builds. Which is a big no.

Have you ever seen the OU UU NU system? Or the tier1 tier2 meta analysis?

One single example of 2nd placed even at a big tournament doesn't stack up to recurring losses and 50% dominance of other lists within the top4 and 1st places. About 50% of the fleets in the top are bomber fleets.

It means you can run it. It doesn't mean its really a viable choice in the current health of the game.

We're talking here anecdotal vs statistical considerations.

1 minute ago, Blail Blerg said:

We're talking here anecdotal vs statistical considerations.

Well.. if we're talking statistics.. what percentage of players brought 2ISD builds to tournaments? What percentage of skilled players brought 2ISD builds?

I don't believe that the concept of Tier1 Tier2 meta analysis is applicable to Armada the way its applicable to XWing for example as player skill matters much more than a particular list.

4 minutes ago, pt106 said:

Well.. if we're talking statistics.. what percentage of players brought 2ISD builds to tournaments? What percentage of skilled players brought 2ISD builds?

I don't believe that the concept of Tier1 Tier2 meta analysis is applicable to Armada the way its applicable to XWing for example as player skill matters much more than a particular list.

You're gonna have to prove that. Everyone wishes meta doesn't exist, but it does. Also, you're makingg the Xwing comparison, why do these not work? Why does the meta analysis tools of all other games in the world not work?

Just like you're really not going to find many builds with only 2-3 ships and no bid.

5 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

You're gonna have to prove that. Everyone wishes meta doesn't exist, but it does. Also, you're makingg the Xwing comparison, why do these not work? Why does the meta analysis tools of all other games in the world not work?

Just like you're really not going to find many builds with only 2-3 ships and no bid.

I didn't say that the meta doesn't exist. What I said was that the meta doesn't exist the same way it exists in XWing where there are several top-tier lists that most of the people bring. If there is anything that Tier rank can be applied to in Armada it is individual upgrades, not the lists in general. And again lets not confuse the popularity on the build with it's viability as these things don't have a lot in common in my mind (Lets look at the popularity of squadronless builds in wave 1, or popularity of Demolisher in Wave2)