Ok does it work? Genesis ability does not specify that he needs to perform a target lock action. Manaroo giving TL away to Red is also him acquiring one. Am i right?

No, 'Acquiring' a TL is distinct from being 'assigned' a TL token.

When you 'acquire' a TL, you are assigned a TL token.

When you are 'assigned' a TL token, you have not necessarily 'acquired' a TL.

I'm pretty sure being passed a TL is NOT acquiring one, otherwise you'd have to be in range of the ship you're being passed a TL on in order for it to work, which you don't.

Yea i was wondering the same thing as you guys - but hell i could not reinforce it anywhere in the rules. The is a paragraph about acquiring tls but there is nothing how to treat passed tls. Best i could find is:

"• If an ability instructs a ship to “acquire a target lock,” this is different than performing an acquire a target lock action. The ship acquires the target lock without performing an action, and it may do so even if it has already performed the acquire a target lock action this round "

Not giving any answer but suggesting you can acquire TL without perfoming action.

Check the FAQ around Jendon (or is it Kagi?) and the Lambda title. I suspect that's where the precedent lies.

6 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Check the FAQ around Jendon (or is it Kagi?) and the Lambda title. I suspect that's where the precedent lies.

Neither Kagi nor Jendon gives clear answer to "is passed TL acquired one?" And fun fact : ST-321 entry is removed in latest FAQ.

o_O

I think it's pretty clear, but it probably could do with FAQing.

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

o_O

I think it's pretty clear, but it probably could do with FAQing.

Maybe i missed your point in regard of FAQ entries, could you please elaborate?

That aside, i know im lawyering a bit here, but literally nowhere is written:

-you acquire a lock whenever you get a lock token

nor

-you do not acquire a tl when you are passed blue tl token.

I think it was covered in the ST321 FAQ - that being passed a blue lock doesn't count as acquiring one (because otherwise Jendon 321 wouldn't work unless the recipient was in range of the TL target). But if that FAQ is no longer there, there's nowhere it's written down any more.

9 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

I think it was covered in the ST321 FAQ - that being passed a blue lock doesn't count as acquiring one (because otherwise Jendon 321 wouldn't work unless the recipient was in range of the TL target). But if that FAQ is no longer there, there's nowhere it's written down any more.

Hmmm, thats weird that they removed it.

I think there was/is an entry in the FAQ answering a question about the XX-23 Thread Chasers. The response, I think, stated the ships's acquiring the TL from the Thread Chasers had to be within R3 of the target. Can't check it right now.

5 minutes ago, Stoneface said:

I think there was/is an entry in the FAQ answering a question about the XX-23 Thread Chasers. The response, I think, stated the ships's acquiring the TL from the Thread Chasers had to be within R3 of the target. Can't check it right now.

Guess what? XX-23 are removed from new FAQ as well....

Great! WTH is going on?

I don't think that this has ever actually been covered in the FAQ. This is a fairly recent email from Frank confirming that being passed a Target Lock is not the same as acquiring one.

Entries for Tracers or ST-323 wouldn't have covered this at all since they both allow ships to acquire Target Locks and have nothing to do with passing them. I've looked through a few older FAQs and don't see entries for either of these even in those

22 minutes ago, WWHSD said:

I don't think that this has ever actually been covered in the FAQ. This is a fairly recent email from Frank confirming that being passed a Target Lock is not the same as acquiring one.

Entries for Tracers or ST-323 wouldn't have covered this at all since they both allow ships to acquire Target Locks and have nothing to do with passing them. I've looked through a few older FAQs and don't see entries for either of these even in those

As noted IIRC the ST321 FAQ had information about what happened when you used it in combination with Jendon to pass a lock to a ship when the locked ship was out of range.

I may be making that up however.

8 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

As noted IIRC the ST321 FAQ had information about what happened when you used it in combination with Jendon to pass a lock to a ship when the locked ship was out of range.

I may be making that up however.

I think that the ST-321 entry may be like that movie Shazaam from the 90s starring the comedian Sinbad. Tons of people remember it but it never actually existed.

I looked in FAQ 2.2, 3.2, 4.2.1, and 4.3.1 and don't see it in any of them.

7 hours ago, WWHSD said:

I think that the ST-321 entry may be like that movie Shazaam from the 90s starring the comedian Sinbad. Tons of people remember it but it never actually existed.

I looked in FAQ 2.2, 3.2, 4.2.1, and 4.3.1 and don't see it in any of them.

O k..... i was **** PRETTY sure there were FAQ entries for both of those...

11 minutes ago, Vitalis said:

O k..... i was **** PRETTY sure there were FAQ entries for both of those...

The Ministry of Truth assured me that those entries are not in those versions of the FAQ at the present time. They also informed me that anyone that suggests that those versions of the FAQ may have had different contents at a prior point in time should report directly to the Ministry of Love, room 101, to lodge their complaint.

Back to the topic, assigning versus acquiring .

Quote

Assigning a Token to Your Ship, (FAQ p.5)
When an ability instructs you to assign a token to your ship, this is different than performing a free action that provides the same token. For example, Kyle Katarn’s (pilot) ability allows you to “assign 1 of your focus tokens to another friendly ship at Range 1–3.” A ship that has a focus or evade token assigned to it can still perform that action during the round.

The same applies to being assigned a target lock token and acquiring a target lock.

13 hours ago, WWHSD said:

I think that the ST-321 entry may be like that movie Shazaam from the 90s starring the comedian Sinbad. Tons of people remember it but it never actually existed.

I looked in FAQ 2.2, 3.2, 4.2.1, and 4.3.1 and don't see it in any of them.

The Lambda was released in September 2013, and the following FAQ was 1.3 Oct 2013. Not mentioned there or anywhere after that.

Same applies to XX-23 S-Threads Tracers. Never had an entry, and was never mentioned in relation to any other entry.

59 minutes ago, Parravon said:

The Lambda was released in September 2013, and the following FAQ was 1.3 Oct 2013. Not mentioned there or anywhere after that.

Same applies to XX-23 S-Threads Tracers. Never had an entry, and was never mentioned in relation to any other entry.

Man, I swear that I read a clarification on the XX-23. It clarified that in order to acquire a target lock from the hit, the other ships had to be within R3 of the target. I know I'm old but I'm not senile. Yet. I hope.

Maybe it was an email response? Hallucination? Delirium?

3 minutes ago, Stoneface said:

Man, I swear that I read a clarification on the XX-23 . It clarified that in order to acquire a target lock from the hit, the other ships had to be within R3 of the target. I know I'm old but I'm not senile. Yet. I hope.

Maybe it was an email response? Hallucination? Delirium?

I'd go with email response. It sure beats senility.

20 minutes ago, Stoneface said:

Man, I swear that I read a clarification on the XX-23. It clarified that in order to acquire a target lock from the hit, the other ships had to be within R3 of the target. I know I'm old but I'm not senile. Yet. I hope.

Maybe it was an email response? Hallucination? Delirium?

You didn't imagine it. It's in the Q&A section of the FAQ and not in an entry specific to Tracers.

FAQ, pg 22:
"Q: When an ability instructs you to acquire a target lock, does
the locked ship need to be at Range 1–3?
A: Yes, unless the ability explicitly states otherwise or another ability modifies
the range at which the ship can acquire target locks."

Passing a token is not acquiring it. Because Acquire is defined in the rules, you can't substitute stuff for fun. If passing was an Aquire you would have to measure range and you could change the target because there is no mention of a fixed target like xx-23.

There is no FAQ entry because there is no need for. Same thing as doing a "Boost" like movement is not a boost (Tie Striker Title) passing around is not defined as Aquire.

7 minutes ago, muribundi said:

Passing a token is not acquiring it. Because Acquire is defined in the rules, you can't substitute stuff for fun. If passing was an Aquire you would have to measure range and you could change the target because there is no mention of a fixed target like xx-23.

There is no FAQ entry because there is no need for. Same thing as doing a "Boost" like movement is not a boost (Tie Striker Title) passing around is not defined as Aquire.

While i agree with general acquire =/=pass after all, its not defined in the rules. And there is need for it. Since X-wing does not use keywords technically ship that is passed ACQUIRES a target lock token. Same as they specified that 4-lom passing a token does not remove it even if it is physically removed from a ship. Per current rules there are only hints that passing is not acquiring (like mentioned 4-lom).

Striker's "boost" is not good idea here since that is clearly written on a card: perform a maneuver not a boost.