Save Ferris!

I remember when people shouted Save Ferris. The details are fuzzy but, while they thought he had problems, he was actually singing donkey kong in the streets during a sausage parade.

Same thing here. no worries.

Wave hot garbage is being released. Save X Wing!!!

5 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

Wave hot garbage is being released. Save X Wing!!!

Matter of opinion. All three ships are setting exciting new precedence going forward and look to contain some fix cards for ships in need. I'm way more excited for this wave then I was the last one, and maybe even the one before that.

On 3/13/2017 at 8:25 PM, heychadwick said:

Except not everyone is still playing it. I think that's what some people are saying.

If only you could prove that like posting us declining sales figures or something

Who cares about what some people are saying. Probably is those same people that said attani mindlink won't be good, or IWSYTDS will break the game.

Save x wing from them maybe!

3 hours ago, haritos said:

If only you could prove that like posting us declining sales figures or something

Who cares about what some people are saying. Probably is those same people that said attani mindlink won't be good, or IWSYTDS will break the game.

Save x wing from them maybe!

First off, I'm not saying X-wing needs to be saved. All I said was that I found it funny that there was this post and one by @ AdamGATX105 right next to each other.

Next, I did say that AdamGATX105 said X-wing has died in his area as a direct response to your comment that everyone is still playing X-wing. So, there is some proof that people aren't playing. I've also seen similar posts within the past year or so that reports the game dying out in some areas, as well. Still, that is the only one that I can still directly link to for "proof".

There's a whole conversation that can be had about game longevity and keeping the older players still in the game while still drawing in new players, but I'm thinking it will be a moot point.

3 hours ago, heychadwick said:

First off, I'm not saying X-wing needs to be saved. All I said was that I found it funny that there was this post and one by @ AdamGATX105 right next to each other.

Next, I did say that AdamGATX105 said X-wing has died in his area as a direct response to your comment that everyone is still playing X-wing. So, there is some proof that people aren't playing. I've also seen similar posts within the past year or so that reports the game dying out in some areas, as well. Still, that is the only one that I can still directly link to for "proof".

There's a whole conversation that can be had about game longevity and keeping the older players still in the game while still drawing in new players, but I'm thinking it will be a moot point.

I'm not positive, but that thread popped up shortly after I posted this one. It may have been a response, but I don't know. I do know that I like that thread because it's tackling a direct and specific problem, as opposed to the threads that say things like, "maybe they could save x-wing if the designers did _X_."

I get that X-wing is not successful everywhere, but it's as bad to assume that it's not working where you are, or that an individual's negative experience with some aspect of the game equates to the same result everywhere. By all respects, this game seems to be thriving in most places. Sales are up, tournaments are up, World's just sold out in like 5 minutes. Does that mean that x-wing needs saving?

Jacob

1 minute ago, jkokura said:

I'm not positive, but that thread popped up shortly after I posted this one. It may have been a response, but I don't know. I do know that I like that thread because it's tackling a direct and specific problem, as opposed to the threads that say things like, "maybe they could save x-wing if the designers did _X_."

I get that X-wing is not successful everywhere, but it's as bad to assume that it's not working where you are, or that an individual's negative experience with some aspect of the game equates to the same result everywhere. By all respects, this game seems to be thriving in most places. Sales are up, tournaments are up, World's just sold out in like 5 minutes. Does that mean that x-wing needs saving?

Jacob

I do think there are warning signs. I've talked to a lot of people as I've built up my local area. If you don't like the tournament version of the game, there is little space for you within X-wing at the moment. I feel that FFG needs to do more to promote non-tournament version of the game.

Just now, heychadwick said:

I do think there are warning signs. I've talked to a lot of people as I've built up my local area. If you don't like the tournament version of the game, there is little space for you within X-wing at the moment. I feel that FFG needs to do more to promote non-tournament version of the game.

I agree with you. However, where I am, I can't get anyone to play anything other than the tournament version of the game!

I don't know how old your local area is, but our local group is just starting to grow. We've been playing less than a year. Other than myself, I've got one friend that's just gone to his second tournament (Regional and Q1), and another 4 friends that just went to their first tournament (Q1). We have a very different group than the average in many major centres in the US I'd bet, especially if the group has been playing a few years and is a bit burnt out on the rotation of new waves creating new metas leading to the same old tourney.

One thing I have noticed is that people come and go with this game. I've found that if someone drops out, it's likely someone will start in. One of the best things FFG has done lately is produced new expansions that can be purchased to make a list or two that's fun and competitive right out of the gate. I love that you don't have to spend thousands to get in, that you could in theory play for about $100. They've produced articles that point this out.

Co-op campaigns, ala Imperial Assault and Armada would add to the game definitely. I'd like that, so would you it seems. I hope it shows up, or some other idea comes forward to make the game interesting again to those players who are feeling a little (or completely) burned out.

Jacob

2 minutes ago, jkokura said:

I agree with you. However, where I am, I can't get anyone to play anything other than the tournament version of the game!

OH, my local area is fine, but I see about 50% of all people who get into the game drop out. I've talked to them as I feel responsible for getting them into the game (as I am usually the one that did get them into the game). Most of the time, it's the casual player who doesn't want to play tournament level. It's frustrating. I've seen dozens of good players drop out of the game for this reason. Yes, more players join, but why do any have to drop in the first place?

Just now, heychadwick said:

OH, my local area is fine, but I see about 50% of all people who get into the game drop out. I've talked to them as I feel responsible for getting them into the game (as I am usually the one that did get them into the game). Most of the time, it's the casual player who doesn't want to play tournament level. It's frustrating. I've seen dozens of good players drop out of the game for this reason. Yes, more players join, but why do any have to drop in the first place?

My experience has been that they like the game, they have fun with it, but they're either not really 'gamers' where this is a continuous hobby, or they're the sort of gamers who play lots of games, and so x-wing is pushed out in favour of other things.

I too serve as a point person for our community. Those are the two main reasons. I don't think anyone is leaving because of the format here, but more because there are too many shiny things, or this isn't the shiny thing that ultimately meets their needs.

Jacob

7 minutes ago, jkokura said:

My experience has been that they like the game, they have fun with it, but they're either not really 'gamers' where this is a continuous hobby, or they're the sort of gamers who play lots of games, and so x-wing is pushed out in favour of other things.

I too serve as a point person for our community. Those are the two main reasons. I don't think anyone is leaving because of the format here, but more because there are too many shiny things, or this isn't the shiny thing that ultimately meets their needs.

Jacob

I've found it to be different. Most of the people that I know that have gotten into X-wing are gamers. Some are experienced mini gamers. Some are more board gamers. They come in a lot of different kinds. From talking to them, most of them felt frustrated at two main aspects. 1) They hated to have to read online to find out the best combos to compete. They hated to have to do "homework" for a fun game. They just want to be able to break out cool ships and fly them. 2) They hated to have to buy new product just to keep up with the latest and greatest. Both of these boiled down to the same thing, though. They liked the game and had fun with it, but got tired of getting their butts kicked by the tournament crowd. They didn't want to have to spend as much energy as the tournament crowd did to play the game. They liked a light version of the game where they could fly X-wings and Tie Fighters and have fun.

Now, the tournament player will just say that this game isn't for them and that's what the game is about. I'll disagree and say that's what the tournament game is about. There are tons of ways to play the game that appeal to these other players. My frustration comes from the lack of any effort on FFG's part to try to do anything for these types of players. FFG tends to make it seem that there is only the tournament version. Most areas don't really have an outlet for non-tournament gameplay. I do, because I freakin' helped build my local scene, but lots of other areas don't have it.

Im curious to hear if there is a single game or activity where people never lose interest.

Are we now discussing the obvious? That eventually some people will drop the game? Do you know how shortsighted it is to focus on one side of the equation? Magic loses a shitload of players every year, its still the #1 game in most communities, or at least somewhere there at the top. There are people saying Magic is dying the past 10 years. There were people saying Eve Online was dying for the whole 3 years i played and we actually had the numbers of daily active players on eve and we could see them rising .

Dont offer the example of your friend John or Angela not playing x-wing any more as an example of the game dying. Unless you can provide us with some data or figures, I suggest you do what the title says, just stop it. Seriously, stop it.

1 hour ago, haritos said:

Dont offer the example of your friend John or Angela not playing x-wing any more as an example of the game dying. Unless you can provide us with some data or figures, I suggest you do what the title says, just stop it. Seriously, stop it.

I would think that a group of 40 players in one area completely dying is more than "John or Angela".

43 minutes ago, heychadwick said:

I would think that a group of 40 players in one area completely dying is more than "John or Angela".

It's hard not to hear this as, "They are saying _____." Whenever 'they' start talking, I always take that with a seriously cynical ear. Who is they? Why are they saying it? Is it because of _X_ or because of _y_?" Are 'they' actually saying it, or is it just one person, and due to the anonymity of their voice they can appear to be many more than just 'one,' becoming 'they.'

To put it more directly, what group of 40 players in what area has completely given up the game? Is the reason universal, or is it varied? Is it really because this game sucks and nobody is playing it anymore?

Certainly there will be people who are concerned about the direction of this game, and may completely drop the game entirely. If 40 people suddenly jump ship, I would highly doubt that the reason is universal. I'd likely expect there to be many varied reasons. Perhaps some have come to dislike the game, some may even feel that the game is doomed given it's direction. But I'd bet that a bunch of people have also found new hobbies, less available time, moved and joined another group, or other reasons.

One local result doesn't indicate the entire state of the game. I'd say that in Saskatchewan, where I live, the game's growth is explosive. We've likely made up that 40 person loss this year. Even multiple examples of declining regions could be counter balanced by multiple regions experiencing growth. My point is that to say that one example, or even a handful of examples, is enough to give such a negative statemtent as 'x-wing needs saving' is too much.

TLDR/ X-wing needs campaign mode and content for campaign mode.

Jacob