I was wondering, do you think they will release some kind of "conversion kit" from other "terrinoth based" games? It would be great to see some of the heroes of descent fight side by side with their brethren...
Also the map stiles of descent could provide a lot of stuctures, castles and map's elements.
I doubt they will. I think the bases of descent minis will be slightly smaller and thinner than Runewars, and perhaps slightly smaller in scale (like 27mm?) I expect the reverse will be much easier to do. I plan for all my Waiqar to double duty in d&d games.
20 minutes ago, drkpnthr said:I doubt they will. I think the bases of descent minis will be slightly smaller and thinner than Runewars, and perhaps slightly smaller in scale (like 27mm?) I expect the reverse will be much easier to do. I plan for all my Waiqar to double duty in d&d games.
i know a few earthdawn players who will come across a runego.... i mean earth elemental
I doubt it, for starters a hole would need to be drilled in the base of the Descent miniatures to fit the peg in the bases. For another, I think Runewars is aiming to be a competition driven game which doesn't really work when someone has access to a lot of additional heroes that probably won't be finely balanced like a unit designed for Runewars from the very start.
Edited by Muz3332 hours ago, Muz333 said:I doubt it, for starters a hole would need to be drilled in the base of the Descent miniatures to fit the peg in the bases. For another, I think Runewars is aiming to be a competition driven game which doesn't really work when someone has access to a lot of additional heroes that probably won't be finely balanced like a unit designed for Runewars from the very start.
Pegs...those will be gone as soon as I open my boxes lol...
Edited by jekIsn't Lord Hawthorne a red hero in descent?
I do know for a fact that Ardus Ix'Erebus is a Lieutenant in one of the descent expansions.
So from that angle we are seeing descent heroes fight side by side with these armies.
As far as physical components go, you'd need to either snap the little tray peg or drill a small hole in the base. Also, while Descent monsters look to be the correct size, Descent heroes come on visibly smaller bases than Runewars figures, so you'll either need to rebase, use some kind of base/tray adapter solution or will have to live with a gap between the miniature's base and the edge of the tray slot.
As far as rules interactions go, short of making your own cards, you could use Descent miniatures as stand-ins for embedded command figures. Andira Runehand would make for a cool Daqan standard bearer, Leoric could replace a battlemage, Avric would be an alternative unit champion, multiple Lieutenants and monsters would work as Necromancers etc. It could possibly allow you get more mileage out of the command box too, especially if it turns out it comes with multiple different upgrade cards for each type of officer.
You could probably also use the Descent Reanimates and Reanimate Archers to pad out Runewars units, provided you have some spare trays. Similarly, I think there's some rune golems floating around in one of the Descent H&M Collections, but the bases on those would probably need more serious modding to fit the trays.
Edited by player175003136 minutes ago, player1750031 said:As far as physical components go, you'd need to either snap the little tray peg or drill a small hole in the base. Also, while Descent monsters look to be the correct size, Descent heroes come on visibly smaller bases than Runewars figures, so you'll either need to rebase, use some kind of base/tray adapter solution or will have to live with a gap between the miniature's base and the edge of the tray slot.
As far as rules interactions go, short of making your own cards, you could use Descent miniatures as stand-ins for embedded command figures. Andira Runehand would make for a cool Daqan standard bearer, Leoric could replace a battlemage, Avric would be an alternative unit champion, multiple Lieutenants and monsters would work as Necromancers etc. It could possibly allow you get more mileage out of the command box too, especially if it turns out it comes with multiple different upgrade cards for each type of officer.
You could probably also use the Descent Reanimates and Reanimate Archers to pad out Runewars units, provided you have some spare trays. Similarly, I think there's some rune golems floating around in one of the Descent H&M Collections, but the bases on those would probably need more serious modding to fit the trays.
I know a certain Necromancer who's going to be immediately replaced with a Zarihell
17 hours ago, player1750031 said:As far as physical components go, you'd need to either snap the little tray peg or drill a small hole in the base. Also, while Descent monsters look to be the correct size, Descent heroes come on visibly smaller bases than Runewars figures, so you'll either need to rebase, use some kind of base/tray adapter solution or will have to live with a gap between the miniature's base and the edge of the tray slot.
As far as rules interactions go, short of making your own cards, you could use Descent miniatures as stand-ins for embedded command figures. Andira Runehand would make for a cool Daqan standard bearer, Leoric could replace a battlemage, Avric would be an alternative unit champion, multiple Lieutenants and monsters would work as Necromancers etc. It could possibly allow you get more mileage out of the command box too, especially if it turns out it comes with multiple different upgrade cards for each type of officer.
You could probably also use the Descent Reanimates and Reanimate Archers to pad out Runewars units, provided you have some spare trays. Similarly, I think there's some rune golems floating around in one of the Descent H&M Collections, but the bases on those would probably need more serious modding to fit the trays.
I've already thought about all this amateur modding, i was wondering about some official possibility of cross-game content. Truth is that it not seems to fit with the ffg policyes, in fact they hardly release content that use both tiles from more than one expansion so the release of a cross-game content is probably just a dream
Officially, I don't think so. I think recreating Descent characters into Runewars expansions with new sculpts, like with Lord Fabulous Moustache, is the extent of cross-pollination between the games that FFG does.
Edited by player1750031On 13/03/2017 at 10:36 AM, pella91 said:It could possibly allow you get more mileage out of the command box too, especially if it turns out it comes with multiple different upgrade cards for each type of officer.
I think there are different versions of, for example, necromancers, if the rules allow you to field more than one of certain upgrades this could work: https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/4/3/legions-of-death-1/ and https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/3/27/raise-your-banners-1/
FFG have done this kind of thing before, back in the age of 1st edition descent, runebound 2nd edition and the original runewars.
It would be a good move commercially to make figures multi-functional for different games as players would be that bit more likely to invest in the different game lines and if they played more than one of the lines an expansion figure was usable for it would be a higher value/ more appealing purchase, if they had to buy two or more versions of the same piece they'd maybe decide it's not worth the extra cost.
So yes, there are going to be lots of crossovers from Descent into RuneWars. That said, the fig size is smaller in descent, (I bought an ardux ix erebus just to compare them), there are pegs and holes for the proper runewars minis, and, most importantly, there is no dial for proxied (which is essentially what these would be) figs.
This is a fairly cool universe with lots of history across Runebound, Rune Wars, Dungeon Quest, Rune Age and now RuneWars:TMG. Lot's of names you will recognize from those other games for sure.
Confirmed the monsters and mini bosses are the right size, only the heroes are too small
12 minutes ago, Taki said:Confirmed the monsters and mini bosses are the right size, only the heroes are too small
Eh... that depends...
Miniatures in Descent have changed over the course of the game, going from 25/28mm to 28mm/32mm Heroic, much to the chagrin of Descent players.
Non-humanoid monsters - "right size" isn't really an issue.
Humanoid monsters and heroes - the later in the release cycle they are, the closer they will be in scale.
Edited by maxam
1 hour ago, maxam said:Eh... that depends...
Miniatures in Descent have changed over the course of the game, going from 25/28mm to 28mm/32mm Heroic, much to the chagrin of Descent players.
Non-humanoid monsters - "right size" isn't really an issue.
Humanoid monsters and heroes - the later in the release cycle they are, the closer they will be in scale.
I own both descent and runewars and i can confirm what you say. Only the last release are more or less close to runewars mini size. It's a pity because using descent Heroes in descent would have been very cool
As others have said, I don't think the models are the right scale, etc.
But I am dying to see Lord Hawthorne come out and compare his Runewars abilities to his Descent abilities and use the sense I get from that to try to anticipate what future heroes from Descent might be able to do in Runewars.
I was already thinking about Kari's ability to pretty consistently drop 4 skeletons in a turn. In Descent, killing four a turn would be unlikely, but 3? Sure, two actions with some kind of a bonus action? She can reliably single-shot a skeleton. To do that consistently? Hmm... I don't think so. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the abilities also seem to scale to Runewars differently, but there seems to be a relationship.
Makes me either excited or frightened to find out what Leoric might be able to do. 6 Reanimates, or maybe 8, dropped on an attack? I'm thinking a ranged attack with one white and two blue dice with some kind of epic surge damage. That or double surge to do x damage to a second unit within 1-3 of the target. All while defense buffing the unit he's in? Something passive live -1 damage. +1 defense would probably be too strong. He himself should be pretty weak, and have a weak melee attack. Maybe 2 Defense and 3 wounds. But he should still be expensive. 35-38 points. 23 points as an upgrade? As an upgrade I would think 2 defense and 2 wounds. Still grants -1 damage. Provides a skill action, strong ranged attack. Not fancy, but just like in Descent, he would be a straight up artillery piece.
On 3/13/2017 at 3:55 AM, player1750031 said:Officially, I don't think so. I think recreating Descent characters into Runewars expansions with new sculpts, like with Lord Fabulous Moustache, is the extent of cross-pollination between the games that FFG does.
This. Also FFG loves to recycle art work, so if there are sculpts that work, they may reuse them. At the very least you'll see the picture art work recycled.
On 3/10/2017 at 7:53 PM, Muz333 said:I doubt it, for starters a hole would need to be drilled in the base of the Descent miniatures to fit the peg in the bases. For another, I think Runewars is aiming to be a competition driven game which doesn't really work when someone has access to a lot of additional heroes that probably won't be finely balanced like a unit designed for Runewars from the very start.
Those pegs are terrible as it is. They get in the way as much as they fit. I clip them out.
Personally, I think they will do it down the road. It is a great way to revitalize the sales of Descent miniatures with minimal work. The heavy lifting is already done, so why not take advantage of existing resources. It would be smart of them to do it.
As for scale, it does not impact the mechanics or gameplay.
I'm trying to think of how they could reasonably make new crossover products. A decent hero sheet, a rune Wars unit upgrade card (this way there is no dial needed for the figure) and whatever it is rune bound uses.
they did promos like this a while back.
The size difference in minis between the two games is rather startling.