To my taste, ABXY are the backbones of Rebellion. I know this is not charity, FFG must obtain profit and the like. But if you are flying casual and you see no ABXY because others ships do it better... you are not doing it ok.

8 hours ago, Punning Pundit said:

In the past, I've suggested this:

It would give a nice bump to high PS B-Wings.

My only problem of this avenue of getting the token is that it does little to nothing for lower PS B-Wings. I would also think the higher PS pilots would then have VI glued to them like Whisper does.

4 hours ago, Rakaydos said:

My own solution to elite pilot dial worries was a combination of weakened Hera and weakened Primed thrusters.

Really helps Ibstan and Farlander's stress mechanics.

Not a fan of this. I think stress should be a "thing" in this game. This basically let's the B pilots all but ignore stress.

14 hours ago, Jeff Wilder said:

Oy vey ist mir. I'm so old. Why, in my day, B-wings were, themselves, power-creep! Four Blue Squadron Pilots with Advanced Sensors were awesome! Awesome, I tell you!

I KNOW! What the heck? B-wings under powered?

I thought the reason B-wings weren't used anymore was because of all the arc dodging? All the crazy arc dodgers could get around the firing arcs of B's and they weren't agile enough to really deal with it (and not having super high PS). How many Arc Dodgers are left these days? You put a B-wing with FCS and it can rip stuff up. Why does it need a fix? When was the last time anyone flew one?

I really think people need to actually try things again now that the meta is shifting. Certain things aren't there anymore and the game has shifted. Can't BBBBZ blast through the defenses of an /X7 Defender? Can't it also blast Ventress down pretty fast? When was the last time someone actually tried flying these ships to see how they are doing?

I can say that trying out Bunke's BBYZZ, it's been a joy using B-Wings again since they're one of my favorite ships. I don't know about BBBBZ because the Zs with Tracer Missiles are quite nice and rounding out the list with a stresshog works very well. I maybe pointing out the obvious because of how well Bunke has played it in major tournaments, but it's fun to try out when you get the chance.

BBBBiggs.

3 hours ago, SabineKey said:

My only problem of this avenue of getting the token is that it does little to nothing for lower PS B-Wings. I would also think the higher PS pilots would then have VI glued to them like Whisper does.

Yes, helping higher PS ships was part of the point of this card. I had other cards to help lower PS B-Wings.

5 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:

Yes, helping higher PS ships was part of the point of this card. I had other cards to help lower PS B-Wings.

Okay. Fair.

5 hours ago, Lampyridae said:

I believe FFG released a fix for the B-Wing.

However you should consider Collision Detector to be stapled to the ship if you're not filling that system upgrade slot.

I see what you did there

but still

5 hours ago, RStan said:

I can say that trying out Bunke's BBYZZ, it's been a joy using B-Wings again since they're one of my favorite ships. I don't know about BBBBZ because the Zs with Tracer Missiles are quite nice and rounding out the list with a stresshog works very well. I maybe pointing out the obvious because of how well Bunke has played it in major tournaments, but it's fun to try out when you get the chance.

Right! I forgot about this. How can people say B-wings suck when he did so well. Didn't he win a Regionals with that list?

2 minutes ago, heychadwick said:

Right! I forgot about this. How can people say B-wings suck when he did so well. Didn't he win a Regionals with that list?

He got 2nd. But two things:

One, Blair is a low-PS generics savant.

Two, one strong finish out of literally hundreds of squadrons is an outlier for the ship, even in the hands of a low-PS generics savant.

Anyway, I'm not sure I've seen people say B-wings "suck" (although I have seen plenty of "G-1As are B-wings and G-1As suck"). It's just that 8 HP and 1 AGI has been a really awkward place in the increasingly red-dice oriented game for a while, exacerbated by people finally discovering Plasma Torpedoes. The chance of losing a B-wing to a Plasma shot followed by just a primary weapon shot is ... pretty high. (At least the G-1A can take a evade ... )

But I do think they will have a bit of a resurgence, which is good, because I luvs them so much.

12 hours ago, Clancampbell said:

Not a fan of this. I think stress should be a "thing" in this game. This basically let's the B pilots all but ignore stress.

I disagree that it lets them "all but ignore" stress. Having a stresscap like Yorr and Primed Thrusters is VERY different from ignoring stress like Heracrew and Tycho.

I miss fielding B-wings a lot. I mean, I've got five of them here, and they haven't been broken out in far too long. They were one of my first loves in the old X-wing PC game, and news that they were coming is what drew me into this game (along with Defenders). Funnily enough, when they did launch, they were so rare here I had to get a friend of mine to pick up three for me when he went to the US for work. I kind of dropped out of the game for a while due to work and life just as the Biggs walks the Dags lists started to make waves, so I missed that hypetrain. Perhaps that's exactly what I need to do this weekend...

Has anyone considered that there are several AGI 1 ships that are suffering at the moment.

A lucky coincidence is that they share a System Upgrade slot.

So how about, Small Ship Only, You may only equip this upgrade if your AGI value is 1 or lower.

19 hours ago, Jingizu said:

B-wing/xB title, B-wing only.

"Your upgrade bar loses both Torpedo upgrade icons. After executing a 1 or 2-speed maneuver, you may assign 1 evade token to your ship."

Fixed. This will absolutely not come bite us in the *ss about a year later.

What's funny about that is I basically suggested the same reverse x7 as a lark for someone suggesting the Interceptor needed help.

If the ship slows down it should be easier to maneuver and getting that Evade token would sure represent a lot of bobbing and weaving. I really love that you're willing to give up the two torpedo slots when there's probably one B-Wing that will ever use them as intended instead of arming a cannon instead.

On 3/9/2017 at 7:54 PM, Marinealver said:

A lot of people say that the B-wing's dial is underpowerd. I find it more unique than underpowered as there is nothing else in the game like it. The 2K and 1 hards even though they are red make it very good in certain situations, and it still has a 4 straight so it can move fast if needed to. Thing is the meta isn't for those kind of dials where tight maneuvers are needed. Much like the quadjumper, the dial is like nothing else but the meta is not for those types of ships. Maybe with ace-wing getting nerfed they might make it back. They were the counter to swarms before the TIE Phantom (and Defenders) came out.

There are a handful of lists in the game that would actually benefit A LOT from, oh, I dunno, doubling the number of obstacles on the table. Certainly, "anything with a B-Wing" fits into that category. Oh, also, "specifically F*CK YOU BIG SHIPS", which I think we can all agree on.

Wonder if we might see that become an option in the future. IE., each player brings 3 obstacles (as per usual), but for (picking a number out of the air) 3 points you can add a large asteroid token to your list, up to 3 times.

21 hours ago, Jingizu said:

B-wing/xB title, B-wing only.

"Your upgrade bar loses both Torpedo upgrade icons. After executing a 1 or 2-speed maneuver, you may assign 1 evade token to your ship."

Instead of a title, make it a 2 Torpedo slot card, and limit it to ships that are 1 agility or fewer.

It would also help the Ghost, so maby it should be small ship only. Or maybe the Ghost can use a small boost.

41 minutes ago, xanderf said:

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Oh, also, "specifically F*CK YOU BIG SHIPS", which I think we can all agree on.

...

Which big ships specifically? There are some big ships that were never that "big" of a problem. Firespray aux arc could never keep track of an A-wing. Heck I remeber flying right next to one. Big ship couldn't shoot me, I could. Then there are big ships which are smaller than some small ships (Aggressor, U-wing) and some small ships that are bigger than large ships (K-wing, TIE Punisher).

27 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Which big ships specifically? There are some big ships that were never that "big" of a problem. Firespray aux arc could never keep track of an A-wing. Heck I remeber flying right next to one. Big ship couldn't shoot me, I could. Then there are big ships which are smaller than some small ships (Aggressor, U-wing) and some small ships that are bigger than large ships (K-wing, TIE Punisher).

In this context "Which big ships" is "the ones that block the 2k by existing"

Bwing is fine, cept the dial.

15 hours ago, Jeff Wilder said:

He got 2nd. But two things:

One, Blair is a low-PS generics savant.

Two, one strong finish out of literally hundreds of squadrons is an outlier for the ship, even in the hands of a low-PS generics savant.

OK....I always take issue with this logic. He's a really good player that practices the heck out of generic ships. He knows the meta and is really working it. How many other players of that caliber are really trying it? Most good players aren't even trying. Those that are taking it are not practicing to the level that he is. So, is he really a savant?

It's like Biophysical and the Tie Defenders. He practiced practiced and practiced and got good. He showed up out of nowhere and kicked butt with Tie Defenders before the fix. That store championship before the fix saw numerous people try Tie Defenders and do very well in the meta. They saw the potential and really tried.

What I think is happening is that those players that are good are not even trying much the generics. You need to know the meta and practice the heck out of it. Good players think generics are bad and they don't try them. So...of course he's an outlier....because no one else is even doing it. Does that mean that only he can do it? I doubt that. It's not like he's magic or something. He just sees how it works and practices the hell out of it. I do get that not everyone can fly every list due to personality twists, but I think a lot more people could effectively fly a generics list, if they were of the same caliber and practiced.

MajorJuggler's numbers are really an indication of how well you need to play a ship over simple jousting to get its points back. Soontir has a terrible jousting efficiency but you can still arc-dodge like crazy - like people were doing before Palpatine just made Soontir just a lazy jouster.

B-Wings, unlike T-65 X-Wings, can do more than joust thanks to native barrel roll. The Arc Cannon may yet breathe new life into the B-Wing (or maybe it'll be another R3 LOL)

Now, for all the practice and knowing your ships, how many people run 3 Knave Squadrons?

On 10/3/2017 at 10:04 AM, GreenDragoon said:

But it's straight up worse than an ARC170. The B-Wing has a 2 K-turn, and that's it. The dial is worse, the stats are worse, the upgrade slots are worse.

I love the B-Wing, but there's no reason anymore to fly him because the ARC will always be the better choice. The only exception might be BBBBZ - because we didn't get generic ARCs.

And B-Roll

I think the B-Wing is a really good ship if equipped and flown well. I have been shocked at how good they are as a local guys is all in on flying them and it's as good as any other ship; over-powered? No. Average? Absolutely not. I think the latest FAQ actually assists them nicely. The new CROC Syck mods? IDK.

I think the B-Wings are one ship that doesn't need to be buffed. Personally. Due to dying from their cannons. And Nera's 360 degree secondary weapons...come on guys. They are easily better than 75% of all other ships, regardless the faction. Wake up.

19 hours ago, clanofwolves said:

I think the B-Wing is a really good ship if equipped and flown well. I have been shocked at how good they are as a local guys is all in on flying them and it's as good as any other ship; over-powered? No. Average? Absolutely not. I think the latest FAQ actually assists them nicely. The new CROC Syck mods? IDK.

I think the B-Wings are one ship that doesn't need to be buffed. Personally. Due to dying from their cannons. And Nera's 360 degree secondary weapons...come on guys. They are easily better than 75% of all other ships, regardless the faction. Wake up.

Bwing generics perhaps, but the Bwing aces (Ibstan on up) are in a rough spot, costing far more than their health based survivability merits. There's very few cost-effective ways of boosting agility 1's survivability, and boosting their offence just makes them a priority target, wasting all the points into offence with only 1-2 uses. The Bwing may have a nice knife fighting dial, but without more non-red options they dont have the arcdodging capability to compete with their PS equivilants.

Same arguments apply to the Xwing of course, without a native BR at all, except that Xwing pilot abilities are ALMOST enough to make up the gap.