Bulwark was a counter to the SSD. It was the last in the R&D track. (I know that has beem said already).

I love it, I want to see it, but those cards dont represent it.

9 minutes ago, NebulonB said:

Bulwark was a counter to the SSD. It was the last in the R&D track. (I know that has beem said already).

I love it, I want to see it, but those cards dont represent it.

I agree fully. The Bulwark needs to be saved for the possibility of FFG releasing some form of SSD. A big, massive, ugly as sin **** brick house of ship that can go nearly toe to toe with the SSD. What the people here want is more in line with a Dauntless Cruiser. A ship I would personally love to see as it opens up the idea of a ship that is on par with, maybe a bit stronger than, the Imp 2 for the rebels (obviously we have 2 mon cals with lots of strengths but they are costed significantly less for a reason). A rebel ship that sits between 115-125 pts would be nice, and give FFG a reason to bring something a bit heavier to the imperials as my only complaint with the releases is that we got the big bad of baddies so early, so now every release seems under powered by comparison, though most have a lot more tricks up their sleeves which is very nice in its own way.

Anyways this is rambling, and I dont feel like editing so good enough.

Ah yes, the dauntless! The dauntless was certainly more of a ISD level ship (+ a bit more if I remember correctly) The liberator class was kinda cool as well.

8 hours ago, xerpo said:

So funny comming in this thread and all I read is: this is so OP, it needs weaknesses, it will substitute the MC80 and blah blah blah.
Seriously?

My comments, in both threads, are consistent based on Reasonable Games Design Comparison to what already exists.

Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean its a bad idea.

Just that I feel that there's a certain amount of fanboyism that influences people to make things too good for their costs.

In this case, it was basically 10 more points than a Command Cruiser, and did everything better. And not just a little bit, In a significant way.

If we are looking for a Rebel behemoth/monster/ISD-smasher, I would rather bring in the MC80B (Mon Remonda). Fits the aesthetic better and actually fought alongside the Mon Karren in legends. Mon Karren was described as being a weaker design. The only thing that stopped it was the SSD Iron Fist and then eventually a world devastator

Even if this bulwark is some kind of 5km brobdingnagian design, I'd still rather find some Legends Mon Cal that fit the bill.

It looks like a half-assed Star Trek ship.

Let's just get a Viscount prototype battle Cruiser 3km long.

12 hours ago, xerpo said:

Its obviously a ship to flank, maybe some imperials would enjoy the change on the navigation approach, rather than going straight forward and roll dices. Is not cheaper than ISD, it cost the same fleet points for an ISDI and 5 points more expensive than the ISDII. It also has less hull. And globally only 1 more shield, that feels pretty useless with only 1 redirect token. Also has the engineering value of an average medium ship, 1 less than the ISD. Nothing to go mad about.

Rebles are lacking exactly this kind of ship. For those who complain about the framework.

There is a reason ISD's cannot take Engine Techs.
There is a reason an ISD does not get a double brace.
There is a reason the ISD does not get a Ordnance upgrade slot.

Not a single Empire vessel gets access to TL/IC/Ordnance together.
3 out of 14 Imperial ships get a Defensive retrofit of which only 1 gets a Brace token, not a single Imperial vessel gets 2 Brace tokens, meaning that the H9's can remove the Brace token from every single Imperial vessel outside the ISD II, (assuming it has ECM, but you can just double arc it.) and the Scatter token from the Imperial Flotillas.
No Imperial ship gets access to Blue/Black dice & Ordnance and TL slots, not a single one, AFAIK only the MC30 can do so for the Rebels, and that is enough of a nightmare and its a small base ship with 4 hull, you want a 10 hull one, with more shields, and more surviveability, thats just as maneuverable as the the small base MC30?!? for the same price as an ISD I, and cheaper than the ISD II.

Perhaps you like massively OP ships?

4 hours ago, Church14 said:

If we are looking for a Rebel behemoth/monster/ISD-smasher, I would rather bring in the MC80B (Mon Remonda). Fits the aesthetic better and actually fought alongside the Mon Karren in legends. Mon Karren was described as being a weaker design. The only thing that stopped it was the SSD Iron Fist and then eventually a world devastator

Even if this bulwark is some kind of 5km brobdingnagian design, I'd still rather find some Legends Mon Cal that fit the bill.

Don't get me wrong-i love the MC-80B series as well, but the B series was not a "behemoth/monster/ISD-smasher." It was an MC-80a with better armor and an emphasis on forward-arc firepower.

However, if they recanonize the MC-80 series Star Cruisers to 2,000 meters, then it would be closer to what you're describing

It should have similar firepower to the Liberty and Home One styles from what Wookiepedia says. But it should have similar hull to an ISD and superior shielding. Like 5/4/3 to the ISD's 4/3/2