Two separate, unrelated questions:

1. For purposes of determining firing arcs, does the VCX-100's "Special Firing Arc" count as a firing arc, even if the Phantom isn't docked and there is no torpedo on board? This could effect things like turret attacks versus Autothrusters, Fearlessness attacks, or activation of crew cards like Tactician. I would argue that an arc remains an arc even if game effects render it inactive, and since we know that Auxiliary and Mobile arcs are considered to be "firing arcs", there's no reason to expect Special arcs to be any different.

2. If a ship has the Shaken Pilot crit card active, and they reveal a straight maneuver, what is done to resolve the conflict? The closest resolution I can think of is to treat it like an Illegal Dial (opponent sets a legal maneuver), since you revealed a maneuver you're forbidden to perform. Red maneuver while stressed was the other thought, but then you're right back to executing a straight maneuver. (Side note: Interaction with ion tokens seems clear: you never assign or reveal a maneuver in those situations, so the 1-straight maneuver isn't illegal, and the critical effect remains active)

Thanks!

1. Yes, backstabber doesn't get his ability, autothrusters doesn't trigger (unless at r3) etc.

2. Not sure

The 4.3.0 update to Saboteur's clarification (using the same white 2 straight as red-on-stressed) might indicate they want white 2 straight to be what happens any time an illegal maneuver is assigned, but we should ask.

If only because "Shame on you for trying to perform a straight maneuver! As punishment, perform a straight maneuver!" seems dumb.

2 minutes ago, digitalbusker said:

The 4.3.0 update to Saboteur's clarification (using the same white 2 straight as red-on-stressed) might indicate they want white 2 straight to be what happens any time an illegal maneuver is assigned, but we should ask.

If only because "Shame on you for trying to perform a straight maneuver! As punishment, perform a straight maneuver!" seems dumb.

What? You mean a pilot who's shaken so they can't fly straight would just fly straight anyways?

The only instances I can think of Saboteur mattering* are Thrust Control Fire and Shaken Pilot. TCF assigns a Stress token then flips face-down, in which case you should resolve a dialed-in red maneuver exactly the same as you would in any other case: with a 2-straight. Shaken Pilot says you cannot be assigned a straight maneuver, not that you can't perform a straight maneuver, so if you already dialed on in you should be good (you're not assigning it, just revealing and executing it). On the other hand, if that still counts as assigning a straight maneuver, I'm pretty sure you have to give your dial to your opponent (who can dial in a not-straight). Pretty sure the 2-straight specifically applies to revealing red when stressed, and that other violations still use the hand-it-to-the-opponent rule, but I don't have rules in front of me to reference.

*assuming, first, that someone actually plays Saboteur.

Dialing in a straight whilst suffering Shaken Pilot is an illegal maneuver. Opponent gets to choose your maneuver.

Revealing a red while stressed is not an illegal maneuver (you don't get told anywhere that you cannot assign or reveal it, only that you cannot execute it), it's just if you do, there are specific consequences which used to be the same as an illegal maneuver, but now have their own specific resolution.

Herm.. so I take it that if you have stress and shaken pilot.. you could dial a red, which would be illegal, and then you would execute a 2 white forward, which would be legal since you weren't assigned a straight move (assuming the red was a non-straight that is)... and shaken would flip over sunce you assigned a dial and executed a maneuver.. right?

1 hour ago, McLaine said:

Dialing in a straight whilst suffering Shaken Pilot is an illegal maneuver. Opponent gets to choose your maneuver.

Revealing a red while stressed is not an illegal maneuver (you don't get told anywhere that you cannot assign or reveal it, only that you cannot execute it), it's just if you do, there are specific consequences which used to be the same as an illegal maneuver, but now have their own specific resolution.

I agree.

37 minutes ago, Khyros said:

Herm.. so I take it that if you have stress and shaken pilot.. you could dial a red, which would be illegal, and then you would execute a 2 white forward, which would be legal since you weren't assigned a straight move (assuming the red was a non-straight that is)... and shaken would flip over sunce you assigned a dial and executed a maneuver.. right?

Yes.

An interesting side note that I heard today... This theory states that, since Shaken Pilot only states that you may not be ASSIGNED a straight maneuver, it doesn't care if you reveal or execute one. Assignment happens during the planning phase. After that, a dial is REVEALED (a term that triggers things like deployment of bombs) and a maneuver is EXECUTED (which triggers its own set of things). A ship that only gets Shaken Pilot AFTER its dial is already set suffers no ill effects of the crit; it only revealed and executed the maneuver.

Also, if you're stressed and get a shaken pilot crit, you can assign a red non-straight maneuver to get the free white 2 straight anyway

3 hours ago, emeraldbeacon said:

An interesting side note that I heard today... This theory states that, since Shaken Pilot only states that you may not be ASSIGNED a straight maneuver, it doesn't care if you reveal or execute one. Assignment happens during the planning phase. After that, a dial is REVEALED (a term that triggers things like deployment of bombs) and a maneuver is EXECUTED (which triggers its own set of things). A ship that only gets Shaken Pilot AFTER its dial is already set suffers no ill effects of the crit; it only revealed and executed the maneuver.

So... my post?

12 hours ago, ObiWonka said:

Shaken Pilot says you cannot be assigned a straight maneuver, not that you can't perform a straight maneuver, so if you already dialed on in you should be good (you're not assigning it, just revealing and executing it).

For what its worth, this came up at a table next to me in a small tournament once. The TO made him do the 2 straight maneuver, but also did NOT flip the crit, it remained active for the next turn. In this case (an honest mistake which didn't give any kind of big advantage), it seemed like a fair resolution.

On 3/10/2017 at 3:08 AM, ObiWonka said:

So... my post?

...ok, actually, from somewhere else, I just missed your post, but yeah, you said it before me.