I think I am going to wait till the other factions come into play. Pretty busy at the moment anyways, so being able to dump time into playing would be quite low, and I think I'd much rather play elves.

26 minutes ago, Obscene said:

I think I am going to wait till the other factions come into play. Pretty busy at the moment anyways, so being able to dump time into playing would be quite low, and I think I'd much rather play elves.

There is another post with a pic from a Runewars presentation at Gama stating new factions coming soon, with Uthuk and Latari Elves in the background, so it looks likely that we will see army boxes or something for them before the end of the year.

2 hours ago, DrCthulhu said:

There is another post with a pic from a Runewars presentation at Gama stating new factions coming soon, with Uthuk and Latari Elves in the background, so it looks likely that we will see army boxes or something for them before the end of the year.

I really wish they would've spoiled the expansion plan. It could be the difference between buying a core or buying two and splitting with a friend.

3 minutes ago, flightmaster101 said:

I really wish they would've spoiled the expansion plan. It could be the difference between buying a core or buying two and splitting with a friend.

This is probably the very reason they didn't (that and they've already had delays, and those multiply)

I think I've decided to wait it out for the expansions to come out before making any real investment. I know I'll be getting into this game in a big way, but the more I think on it, the more I worry that getting in too early means spending a lot of money to shoehorn 200 points out of mainly core boxes in what is likely to end up to be a suboptimal collection a year from now. Whatever is good in the first couple of expansions will change when they face new threats as the Uthuk and Latari are released.

So yeah, I'm super excited to grab that core box and start playing and painting, and will pick up a modest number of expansions as they come out. But I expect my biggest expenditures not to come until the end of the year. It's incredibly hard to restrain my impulse to buy everything as soon as I can, but I expect this game to do well and be available, so it seems the prudent course is to wait and see a little bit.

Yes this is very prudent, but without an initial pool of players this game will die and more with Game of Thrones KS at the end of the year.

I'm just buying the core at a first stage and then testing before getting any single expansion. I need to see if the game is what I expect.

5 hours ago, Elliphino said:

So yeah, I'm super excited to grab that core box and start playing and painting, and will pick up a modest number of expansions as they come out. But I expect my biggest expenditures not to come until the end of the year. It's incredibly hard to restrain my impulse to buy everything as soon as I can, but I expect this game to do well and be available, so it seems the prudent course is to wait and see a little bit.

So you are going to be buying everything at launch anyway? lol

5 hours ago, Hijodecain said:

Yes this is very prudent, but without an initial pool of players this game will die and more with Game of Thrones KS at the end of the year.

I'm just buying the core at a first stage and then testing before getting any single expansion. I need to see if the game is what I expect.

GoT KS is launching end of the year, unless it gets pushes back then fulfillment (which always launches on time...) is not until 2018. Also I may be reading to much tone out of your post but do you really think a Song of Fire and Ice mini's game is going to really be that detrimental to Runewars?

1 hour ago, jek said:

So you are going to be buying everything at launch anyway? lol

Yes, but not two of everything

6 hours ago, Hijodecain said:

Yes this is very prudent, but without an initial pool of players this game will die and more with Game of Thrones KS at the end of the year.

I'm just buying the core at a first stage and then testing before getting any single expansion. I need to see if the game is what I expect.

I really hope that FFG's marketing strategy has them committed to at least six months, if not multiple years of loss.

Your point about market timing and competition is a good one. Will GoT draw away Runewars gamers? Perhaps. But I don't think it could draw away all of them because they're such different games. It's also just as likely that GoT brings in non-gamers because of it's popular IP and that those gamers graduate on to other minis games. Similar to how Lord of the Rings worked for GW and how X-Wing works for FFG. Of course X-Wing is a flagship game in the way that Lord of the Rings/Hobbit never was, but still, I'll bet that there are a lot of FFG units selling to people who discovered gaming through X-Wing.

1 hour ago, Elliphino said:

But I don't think it could draw away all of them because they're such different games. It's also just as likely that GoT brings in non-gamers because of it's popular IP and that those gamers graduate on to other minis games. Similar to how Lord of the Rings worked for GW and how X-Wing works for FFG. Of course X-Wing is a flagship game in the way that Lord of the Rings/Hobbit never was, but still, I'll bet that there are a lot of FFG units selling to people who discovered gaming through X-Wing.

I'd agree the that and I hope that the game could bring people into the hobby...But I just see the Song of Fire and Ice game as being like 98% historical battle game instead of the high fantasy like Runewars and that certainly has draw for some but I don't think it spells the doom and gloom that some are worried about.

Also, FFG miniature quality is better than CMON minature quality.

57 minutes ago, Back5 said:

Also, FFG miniature quality is better than CMON minature quality.

I would say the Wrath of Kings miniatures (CMON's only wargame miniatures i know and have) are easily as good if not better than the Runewars miniatures, of course i have never seen them in real life. And i also quite like the Zombicide Black Plague miniatures, but yes some of the A Song of ICe and Fire minis doesn't look that good other though look god.

7 hours ago, Iceeagle85 said:

I would say the Wrath of Kings miniatures (CMON's only wargame miniatures i know and have) are easily as good if not better than the Runewars miniatures, of course i have never seen them in real life. And i also quite like the Zombicide Black Plague miniatures, but yes some of the A Song of ICe and Fire minis doesn't look that good other though look god.

In comparing the Z:BP or any of the other CMON miniatures to something like Imperial Assault, I don't think they are in the same league personally. FFG components are very very good.

17 minutes ago, Back5 said:

In comparing the Z:BP or any of the other CMON miniatures to something like Imperial Assault, I don't think they are in the same league personally. FFG components are very very good.

Mechanically I agree, but component wise I don't. Those figures look great and for the price tag they're amazing. As a game though, I think it's not up to FFG's regular fare of boardgames.

17 minutes ago, Back5 said:

In comparing the Z:BP or any of the other CMON miniatures to something like Imperial Assault, I don't think they are in the same league personally. FFG components are very very good.

I have never seen Imperial Assault minis in real life, but as I said the Wrath of Kings miniatures are really good and Wrat of Kings is a miniature wargame not a board game.

CMON as of late has really been hit of miss on their minis they make, the materials are relatively similar, but in a lot of CMON games there is more detail, is it detail that adds anything? not always but they are very vivid typically. But I like the FFG figs for having enough detail without being unnecessary. After looking at the ASOFAI game though...meh.

25 minutes ago, jek said:

CMON as of late has really been hit of miss on their minis they make, the materials are relatively similar, but in a lot of CMON games there is more detail, is it detail that adds anything? not always but they are very vivid typically. But I like the FFG figs for having enough detail without being unnecessary. After looking at the ASOFAI game though...meh.

The Fire and Ice mini's are not made by CMON, they are produced by a different company.

Just now, Orcdruid said:

The Fire and Ice mini's are not made by CMON, they are produced by a different company.

Still meh though...I like Zombicide minis, I like blood rage minis...the others are...ok? not really my thing though they do seem well done...

Wait two years to see if FFG is actually committed, then buy orcs.

On 3/18/2017 at 2:43 AM, jek said:

I like blood rage minis

They were done by Studio McVey, absolutely wonderful. They would have deserved to be in resin or something nice and hard. CMoN know their minis, after all they started from a site showcasing them. But it seems that FFG have caught up in quality

I will be buying 4 Starters. Giving the extra stuff to people in my local group to help get them started. 48 minis for 75 dollars is one of the best deals around, even at 100 its really good. For those of you that haven't held a mini from this set, the material is different that anything ffg has used. It is the same as Games workshops from about 5 years ago hard light grey plastic.

Just been thinking about this, if you get x2 cores and x1 of every announced expansion thats:

- roughly 250ish points per faction ( NOT including upgrade cards)

- around 140 minis

- Total cost of £400-450

Works out at around £2.80 per mini and £200 per army - Now obviously that's a big initial outlay, but that's actually a steal compared to GW!

Maybe collecting multiple factions won't be so hard after all...

Although (unless FFG do a Ulthuk/Elves 'Core box' - which I very much doubt) we've got to consider that every other faction released down the line will be more expensive to collect, because there won't be a core box to buy.

I know for sure that if FFG don't make any second core set (I don't think so), I'll go only on Elves if they are well designed. Otherwise i'll wait till they announce any further factions. Uthuks never attracted me to be honest. so...let's wait and see.

1 hour ago, Elrad said:

I know for sure that if FFG don't make any second core set (I don't think so), I'll go only on Elves if they are well designed. Otherwise i'll wait till they announce any further factions. Uthuks never attracted me to be honest. so...let's wait and see.

I don't necessarily agree with this because if you look at X-wing they did launch a second core for Force Awakens, it is basically still empire v rebel but it was a second core set. However do I think that we will see another core in december? no I think it is much more likely that we will see an army box similar to what they did when they launch scum with the most wanted box, same amount of models as the core and about enough points and upgrades to make a mehtastic 100pt army for about the cost of a core. I hope to see a latari and ulthuk box that ends up being about 200 pts at picking the most expensive options you can make and using all the upgrades. or just 8 trays of infantry 4 trays of specialty 2 siege monsters 1 hero, basic mix of upgrades (probably the exact same cards as the core) and to NOT be terrible throw in the templates and such...

Army box is an interesting format. I'm in with this (I know we've been talking about this months ago). I'd be pissed off if I have to buy a second core set to get elves basic units. An army set is more likely to be how they'll release it. Come on FFg, get rid of your Daqans and Waiqars, show us those long eared ones we love (and hate when we play dwarves )