It has been brought to my attention by a fellow player whom I greatly respect that after the errata announcement, I made some short and outspoken reactions in the posts in my original topic. On that, I have this to say:

I was admittedly disappointed by a number of things that got the stick.Things that in general I don't play. I tend to run a meta list once or twice and move on. Lately, I've been enjoying returning to Rebels. I don't expect every ship to be great and its a statistical impossibility. Others have since convinced me that Mindlink can exist without Manaroo and they're probably right. Zuckuss needed a nerf. I don't get why they nerfed the Empire stuff; it didn't need it. Also, I am generally opposed to changing card text. Designers won't get it right every time, but it Creates unnecessary conflict when you try to introduce new players who probably don't know the they have to follow the online updates carefully to even know if the cards they own still do what they say.

I still enjoy the game, and I have admittedly dabbled in meta lists but they tend to have too much for me to think about so I typically stick to more casual lists with experimental combos or lists with a lot of ships with few upgrades. I also think that my "outspoken majority" comment was accurate. They naysayers always get heard over the people who are okay with it. I show up to casual night when I'm not working to play casual games and I enjoy that. It doesn't upset me that I can't play my wave 3 ships and win tournaments. I play tournaments primarily to meet people.

Others want other things from the game and I understand that. The best thing about gaming is it brings a lot of different people together. I did express disappointment that this was the way it was handled, and I am still disappointed. It sets a dangerous precedent, and they weren't as apologetic as they have been. I'm not the one to judge whether or not it was necessary. I do make it a point to understand the meta, but in general the meta doesn't affect my play experience. In discussions of X-wing and other games with that fellow gamer, I have freely admitted that I am not one to decide what needs to be changed for balance. I just like to facilitate discussion. And he was right, my post was inflammatory, and that was my bad. That wasn't the intention, it was just the shock and disappointment showing through in the moments following my first read of the update. Since then I haven't said much other than my initial reactions are probably overblown, and that cards like Palpatine and x7 can still be good in the right hands. I have been outspoken before, but I have never handled it this poorly.

So, apologies. Sweeping errata is, in my opinion, worse for the game than stale meta. I'm likely in the minority in that opinion, but for what it's worth, I am disappointed. I'm not sorry for my disappointment, but I do apologize for my inflammatory reaction. It just adds to the negativity often present in forum comments.

I also apologize for the length of this post. It just kind of erupted.

Fly Casual.

This is really kind of awesome, and just one of the many reasons I love the communities that grow around FFG games. By and large these communities are full of people that enjoy the games and the source material, and most of those people are stand up folks.

@Engine25, you are one of the people that make this community great.

What a bunch of dorks

1 hour ago, force kin said:

What a bunch of dorks

Always, that's why its fun!

One of these days, either you need to make it up here, or I need to make it down there, and we need to get a couple of games in together.

26 minutes ago, Audio Weasel said:

One of these days, either you need to make it up here, or I need to make it down there, and we need to get a couple of games in together.

Just don't nerf his cards when that happens. You don't want to see him when he's nerfed!

13 hours ago, Engine25 said:

Sweeping errata is, in my opinion, worse for the game than stale meta.

+1

I have no major problem with the current errata, since most of them were needed to some extend.

I do have problems tough with the way it was done. If they wanted to change the way cards work, they should release them in a new edition, like they ve done for Mansions of Madness. Having to log into forums every once in a while to see whats changed and what is still the same is not they way to do it.

How am I supposed to introduce the game to a new guy? Put a squad in front of him with cards that have not changed since their release only? Create a squad that have a few cards changed by errata, but use the original text? Or create a squad with some cards changed by errata and stick the new text on them?

Frankly speaking, if I was introduced to a game that a major portion of the game components was changed by errata but not updated with a new version, and I had to remember all the changes by heart, I would probably not bother picking it up.

You weren't the first and you won't be the last Engine.

I just hope that any new errata doesn't hit when you are driving on your way to play Audio Weasel.

4 hours ago, tsondaboy said:

+1

I have no major problem with the current errata, since most of them were needed to some extend.

I do have problems tough with the way it was done. If they wanted to change the way cards work, they should release them in a new edition, like they ve done for Mansions of Madness. Having to log into forums every once in a while to see whats changed and what is still the same is not they way to do it.

How am I supposed to introduce the game to a new guy? Put a squad in front of him with cards that have not changed since their release only? Create a squad that have a few cards changed by errata, but use the original text? Or create a squad with some cards changed by errata and stick the new text on them?

Frankly speaking, if I was introduced to a game that a major portion of the game components was changed by errata but not updated with a new version, and I had to remember all the changes by heart, I would probably not bother picking it up.

You don't have to log into the forums though? You have to read the news article they posted about it, or download the FAQ, neither of which need you to go to the forums.

And unless you're going to tournaments (in which case, you're probably keeping up with this stuff anyway), you can quite comfortably just ignore the errata and play the game as printed if you want to. The board game police aren't going to come and confiscate your cards for not using the errata.

I disagree about stale meta being better than card errata. Stale metas make big tournaments really dull affairs, and make it reallt difficult for me to enjoy an aspect of the game I really do enjoy - running a list of my own design. I don't like running netlists, so I usually run something I've built myself to be as good as possible without copying someone else. But highly unbalanced cards make that really difficult to do with any success, which is rapidly putting me off attending big tournaments.

And some of these errata weren't as much balance related as they were enjoyment related - Zuckuss was way OP, sure, but the counterplays to him have been clear for some time - don't shoot Dengar in Dengar's arc, get behind the Party Bus and stay there. He wasn't appearing much at all at high levels. But they nerfed him hard, I think, because when he WAS appearing, he was making the game incredibly frustrating to play. Even when you counterplay him perfectly, he's still ANNOYING.

Same with Palp.

5 hours ago, tsondaboy said:

+1

I have no major problem with the current errata, since most of them were needed to some extend.

I do have problems tough with the way it was done. If they wanted to change the way cards work, they should release them in a new edition, like they ve done for Mansions of Madness. Having to log into forums every once in a while to see whats changed and what is still the same is not they way to do it.

How am I supposed to introduce the game to a new guy? Put a squad in front of him with cards that have not changed since their release only? Create a squad that have a few cards changed by errata, but use the original text? Or create a squad with some cards changed by errata and stick the new text on them?

Frankly speaking, if I was introduced to a game that a major portion of the game components was changed by errata but not updated with a new version, and I had to remember all the changes by heart, I would probably not bother picking it up.

If you're introducing someone to the game give them Luke and ion turret Horton while you take Vader and backstabber.

Star Wars!

You realise this is the internet right? There's no room for humility or reasonableness here