So I've seen this one thrown around a bit, a third faction made up of underworld ships, Scum is the vernacular. Though I don't generally hear too heavily what ships would be involved, so I thought it might be worth discussing what the baseline stuff would be needed, and what Canon/semi-canon ships could fill the roles. Three main sources I can think of: Trade Federation(pre-CIS, they sold everything if the price was right), SWEAWForces of Corruption faction is the largest reference of semi-canon ships to pull from, and of course general EU modern and legacy. Now I had one other train of thought on this before we hit the lists. With the introduction of campaigns, and the nefarious nature of the Underworld, an additional way to add some depth would be for ships to have a second higher mercenary cost, now in the campaigns you could add troubled worlds that are controlled by the underworld. When the Rebels or Empire take control, they could recruit mercenaries for a higher point cost, but outside of the general resource cot perhaps. These worlds would be incapable of holding shipyards.

So, first Ship area I'll throw in on is Trade Fed. Seems likely that the Hutts could have bought a number of pre-clone wars Lucrehulk Droid control ships as an insurance policy along with wings of Vulture droids, likely retrofitted with additional turbo-laser batteries, but more for intimidation than fighting the empire straight on. It'd be what a medium or large base? It's been a while since I've checked the stats and I'm still not perfect on the game scale.

Now, I could just ramble off a list of Zann Consortium ships from SWEAWFOC, but how many would actually be viable, and what would be useful, I think I'm better off leaving that to you guys. Along with the new canon I don't know of many new additions to the underworld, so again I leave that for further instruction, and I'll try to do my best. Oh, and a pack of Uglys is an obvious option

So we've got our Fighter packs, Tiny, Small, medium and Large ship slots to fill up, lets give this a go

Not to disparage you, but i think you'll find the majority of the SW Armada community have no desire for a scum faction. Also, there are not a lot of medium or large scale ships-most scum options are fighters, freighters and small ships. Might be easier to include the Zann consortium, Mandalorians, Hapans, etc etc as "mercenary" ships not aligned with either faction but available to both factions.

2 minutes ago, idiewell said:

Not to disparage you, but i think you'll find the majority of the SW Armada community have no desire for a scum faction. Also, there are not a lot of medium or large scale ships-most scum options are fighters, freighters and small ships. Might be easier to include the Zann consortium, Mandalorians, Hapans, etc etc as "mercenary" ships not aligned with either faction but available to both factions.

Oh, I know there's low desire, but it's still a good discussion point, which is a core part of forums. That and we all have a love of various star wars ships, and this is a good way to talk about some hypothetical.

Yep, nothing wrong with discussing things. What else are we going to do while we wait for word on wave 6?

1 minute ago, idiewell said:

Yep, nothing wrong with discussing things. What else are we going to do while we wait for word on wave 6?

Yeah, XD, Say any guesses on when it'll be announced? It seems to me since the last waves been out for a bit now it should be soon?

Also you can't overly justify a Lucrehulk for the standard factions, I mean it's possible a salvaged one could be used as carrier for the rebels, but that's never been done canonly

The current theory is wave 6 will be leaked March 17th. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

At one time, canon had the Empire using Lucrehulks as prison ships. Of course that was before Disney.

While I don't know about a scum faction (the idea of mercenary factions is interesting) I would love more factions long term;

* Republic - clone war era

* Confederacy - clone war era

* Corporate Sector - any era

* Old republic - KOTR era

* Sith Empire - KOTR era.

I would rather see most of those before a "first order" or scum faction.

Well, we could convert this into a Mercenary/rogue elements facton. in some ways a similar idea to scum, but designed to be used with either side, or as a unique faction. Having the Hutt Lords as the primary drivers could work too

If your interested. Look up MelsMiniatures on shapeways for assorted ships you could use as stand ins. Then follow up to http://kdyards.com/ to either make stats for proxies or look at others. Though I will jjust mimic my response in the Clone wars thread that I would rather them focus on keeping it the way it is with Rebels/Imperials for balancing purposes as I would prefer they just keep their resources working on what we got.

6 minutes ago, TallGiraffe said:

If your interested. Look up MelsMiniatures on shapeways for assorted ships you could use as stand ins. Then follow up to http://kdyards.com/ to either make stats for proxies or look at others. Though I will jjust mimic my response in the Clone wars thread that I would rather them focus on keeping it the way it is with Rebels/Imperials for balancing purposes as I would prefer they just keep their resources working on what we got.

Hunh, Now I'm thinking it may just be worth trying to make a Lucrehulk Statistics thread like the Venator one

1 minute ago, MandoBard said:

Hunh, Now I'm thinking it may just be worth trying to make a Lucrehulk Statistics thread like the Venator one

I don't think people will be as on board for a thread like that. I wouldn't recommend making a whole thread for it. People just want the Venator ALOT.

Hapan battle dragons, each attack is 5 sepperate single red dice attacks in succession.

42 minutes ago, TallGiraffe said:

I don't think people will be as on board for a thread like that. I wouldn't recommend making a whole thread for it. People just want the Venator ALOT.

Yes....people.....not just me....not at all.

*shifty eyes*

I can't let anyone know that my true goal is to get a venator thread to surpass the gunboat thread on the X-Wing forum....did I just say that out loud?

54 minutes ago, FatherTurin said:

Yes....people.....not just me....not at all.

*shifty eyes*

I can't let anyone know that my true goal is to get a venator thread to surpass the gunboat thread on the X-Wing forum....did I just say that out loud?

You have a long way to go, but i'm happy to help

Yeah, based upon the Rouge and Villians pack and the Rebels and Imperials Squadron 2 packs it is safe to say Scum is out of the picture as a 3rd faction.

That doesn't mean there will never be more than two. The new movies have two new factions although it is safe to say there were not enough capital ships to make a new core set.

Also the clone wars are not untouchable as they looked to it for X-wing even though they didn't pull the factions.