Intriguing x7 wording: what if the TIE Defender flies through an asteroid?

By Wazat, in X-Wing Rules Questions

So the new wording for x7 says "if you did not overlap an obstacle or ship". It doesn't mention your movement template overlapping the obstacle, the way a bomb or other upgrade card normally would.

I think this means you could plow a TIE Defender through an asteroid, take a free evade action, and then PTL to focus/lock/barrel roll/whatever.

I wonder if this is intended, or is FFG making a mistake with the wording?

Presumably "did not overlap" implies your maneuver template, since you can't past-tense overlap an obstacle at the end of a movement - bit of a slip up on the wording though.

The errata does not say anything about "Moving Through" (which is the applicable rule when a maneuver template overlaps an obstacle.) In other words, the new wording for x7 allows the free evade action after "Moving Through" an obstacle, but not if the ship's final position is "overlapping" an obstacle.

That's RAW. FFG's intent is irrelevant. If they want it any other way, they'll have to FAQ it again.

Edited by jmswood
grammar

FAQ v423 I think was a FAQ revision to a FAQ revision to a botched FAQ. So maybe this is one of the things they'll quickly revise (this time in a similar way)... If not, interesting edge case for x7s.

Edited by Wazat

OBSTACLES

Obstacles acts as hazards that can disrupt and damage ships. When a ship executes a maneuver, if its base or maneuver template overlaps an obstacle token, it executes its maneuver as normal but suffers an effect based on the type of obstacle

x7 Errata

“After executing a 3-, 4-, or 5-speed maneuver, if you did not overlap an obstacle or ship, you may perform a free evade action."

Clearly, if your manuver template ovelaps an obsticle, you did in fact overlap an obsticle. Seems pretty clear.

Its a little strange, the wording states "if you did not" rather than "if you are not" so as written i would go with the whole moving through/over obstacles rule.

from the wiki

Asteroids are a type of obstacle.

When a ship executes a maneuver, if its base or maneuver template overlaps an asteroid token, it executes its maneuver as normal but suffers an effect.

  1. The ship must skip its "Perform Action" step this round.
  2. After skipping the "Perform Action" step, it rolls one attack die. On a hit result, the ship suffers onedamage; on a critical result, it suffers one critical damage.
  3. If the ship is overlapping the asteroid, it cannot perform any attacks.

I was always under the impression that any Actions (including free actions) are skipped if executed as a result of the maneuver that takes it through the roid. Now being granted free actions from another ship is another thing.

You're wrong in your impression. The only thing that crossing an asteroid causes you to skip if your perform action step, no more, no less. Snap still gets his free boost, for instance.

2 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

You're wrong in your impression. The only thing that crossing an asteroid causes you to skip if your perform action step, no more, no less. Snap still gets his free boost, for instance.

coolios, i'll keep that in mind.

On a similar note the FAQ gives us an idea on Overlapping (not sure on the exact text differences between the cards) with the explanation/clarification for advanced Slam. so with this in mind i'd say they don't get the free evade action.

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1 minute ago, taulover55 said:

coolios, i'll keep that in mind.

On a similar note the FAQ gives us an idea on Overlapping (not sure on the exact text differences between the cards) with the explanation/clarification for advanced Slam. so with this in mind i'd say they don't get the free evade action.

obstacle.PNG

Yup that seems pretty conclusive.

I agree the Advanced SLAM FAQ sets a precedent for the new wording of x7. Good catch @taulover55 .

I will add this precedent pretty much makes the rule "Moving Through" meaningless. Reading just the Rules Reference, there are clear distinctions between Moving Through and Overlapping, but this FAQ effectively removes the distinction where obstacles are concerned.

*Scraps his post*

It's always a bit embarassing to post something and then see complete explanation about why your stuff did not work appear right above it, oups! :)

Edited by dotswarlock
7 minutes ago, dotswarlock said:

*Scraps his post*

It's always a bit embarassing to post something and then see complete explanation about why your stuff did not work appear right above it, oups! :)

we've all done it lol.

4 hours ago, jmswood said:

I agree the Advanced SLAM FAQ sets a precedent for the new wording of x7. Good catch @taulover55 .

I will add this precedent pretty much makes the rule "Moving Through" meaningless. Reading just the Rules Reference, there are clear distinctions between Moving Through and Overlapping, but this FAQ effectively removes the distinction where obstacles are concerned.

It matters for stunned pilot technically. Stunned pilot checks for active overlapping ('are overlapping an obstacle') so you can fly through one and not get punished by stunned pilot.

Advanced SLAM is a good catch.

FFG needs to work on their wording. This confusion could have been avoided with an editor asking questions. :(

I'll update the X-Wing Minis wiki with this info.

Base rules for overlapping obstacles include the maneuver template as well as the ship base at the end of the template, or after any move back due to overlap of other ships.

Base rule for overlapping ships looks at only the ship base.

In the absence of specific wording to override these base rules, these are the rules you implement.

The Advanced Slam FAQ was a clarification of these basics (not a change) and applies to any such interaction that doesn't specifically state otherwise.