4 minutes ago, drathbun said:

30 minutes ago, StevenO said:

I'm not sure how much Palpatine was selling for a single on eBay but it wouldn't surprise me if it was over $10 a pop.

Pre-nerf Palpatine was selling for $25-$30. I haven't checked for post-nerf prices. It will probably take a while for them to settle out.

WOW!!! How darn much were the TIE Advanced upgrades selling for? If you could get $30 for Palpatine and even $7 for each pair of TIE/Advance "fixes" (there are 4 of them) you'd be looking at $58 just for selling a few upgrade cards. Now maybe the Raider retails for $100 but you probably could have found it for a LOT less so you're probably not looking at $20 for the Raider, a TIE Advanced, and a bunch of other things granted you could still sell off the extra unique Advance pilots.

If that is what Palpatine was selling for it sure does make it sketchy when you write to FFG saying your Raider (which you may not actually have) is missing that one card so it would be nice if they could send you a replacement.

Is it possible to figuratively buy a palp and x7 title?

1 minute ago, Verlaine said:

Is it possible to figuratively buy a palp and x7 title?

Buying them in your dreams

2 minutes ago, Verlaine said:

Is it possible to figuratively buy a palp and x7 title?

eBay...

Just now, Joe Boss Red Seven said:

eBay...

joe that's still literal

1 minute ago, Blue Five said:

joe that's still literal

but... but... but...

8 minutes ago, StevenO said:

WOW!!! How darn much were the TIE Advanced upgrades selling for? If you could get $30 for Palpatine and even $7 for each pair of TIE/Advance "fixes" (there are 4 of them) you'd be looking at $58 just for selling a few upgrade cards. Now maybe the Raider retails for $100 but you probably could have found it for a LOT less so you're probably not looking at $20 for the Raider, a TIE Advanced, and a bunch of other things granted you could still sell off the extra unique Advance pilots.

If that is what Palpatine was selling for it sure does make it sketchy when you write to FFG saying your Raider (which you may not actually have) is missing that one card so it would be nice if they could send you a replacement.

Good thing I keep the proof of purchase, but yeah I can see how easily someone could have abuse the customer service policy to where I can't say that it hasn't already happened.

However that will just end up messing with the game more than the FAQ could eve have as we could start seeing rotations and customer service that is more demanding of proof of deficiency as grey market (some might call it black) schemes siphoned the already narrow profit margins from this game.

7 minutes ago, Verlaine said:

Is it possible to figuratively buy a palp and x7 title?

The word in that to apply "literally" to is "just" as in he bought them immediately before posting. Of course, the timestamp is middle of the day yesterday, meaning he purchased them a full 24 hours after the nerf was announced. Glad to hear he was undeterred by the change. They're quality cards!

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However that will just end up messing with the game more than the FAQ could eve have as we could start seeing rotations and customer service that is more demanding of proof of deficiency as grey market (some might call it black) schemes siphoned the already narrow profit margins from this game.

In terms of production cost Palpatine's no more expensive to make more of than Expose. I very much doubt people scamming customer service out of Palpatines actually hurts them that much. Not something they want to encourage but I doubt the benefit would offset the cost of tightening their checks.

I'm genuinely baffled by the negative reaction. Have folks really never played games that used errata before? If so, how is this so unbelievably shocking?

And look, again, I am not an FFG fanboy. (Well, except for their customer service, which is fantastic ... until it gets ruined by bragging thieves.) I disagree with what they do frequently, strongly, and vocally. I don't even think they're doing errata properly, because they're using a buckshot approach to fix an expansion (JM5K), instead of, you know, actually fixing the ship.

But I'm baffled by how shocked and appalled some people are by the idea that a company issues errata in the sincere (whether misguided or not) effort to make a game better. I'm not being condescending ... I genuinely don't understand the reaction.

3 minutes ago, Blue Five said:

In terms of production cost Palpatine's no more expensive to make more of than Expose. I very much doubt people scamming customer service out of Palpatines actually hurts them that much. Not something they want to encourage but I doubt the benefit would offset the cost of tightening their checks.

This isn't necessarily true due to the way cards are generally printed in sheets, but its not exactly expensive either.

16 minutes ago, Blue Five said:

joe that's still literal

I haven't been reading this hot pile of garbage, but I clicked on the last page and saw this and laughed so hard.

4 minutes ago, Blue Five said:

In terms of production cost Palpatine's no more expensive to make more of than Expose. I very much doubt people scamming customer service out of Palpatines actually hurts them that much. Not something they want to encourage but I doubt the benefit would offset the cost of tightening their checks.

In terms of production cost, there's no difference. In terms of labor, handling, and shipping, a large volume of false claims is likely to make a difference. Effectively, people who actually get defective or missing products will face a harder ordeal getting made whole because of @$$holes. Welcome to America, I guess.

28 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

I'm genuinely baffled by the negative reaction. Have folks really never played games that used errata before? If so, how is this so unbelievably shocking?

And look, again, I am not an FFG fanboy. (Well, except for their customer service, which is fantastic ... until it gets ruined by bragging thieves.) I disagree with what they do frequently, strongly, and vocally. I don't even think they're doing errata properly, because they're using a buckshot approach to fix an expansion (JM5K), instead of, you know, actually fixing the ship.

But I'm baffled by how shocked and appalled some people are by the idea that a company issues errata in the sincere (whether misguided or not) effort to make a game better. I'm not being condescending ... I genuinely don't understand the reaction.

It is because Palpatine was a good, working card used by many.

FFG certainly did not make the game better by this. Do you honestly think that Palpatine was dominating the championships or casual play and only few stood any chance?

Sure it was powerful, but not too much. Not it´s next to useless in it´s current price and ship restriction. Of course I´m mad a useful effect (which came with an expensive expansion pack) is now turned to something else.

1 hour ago, drathbun said:

Pre-nerf Palpatine was selling for $25-$30. I haven't checked for post-nerf prices. It will probably take a while for them to settle out.

WHAT?! I've had one since the raider released, never even used him!

FFG the b*astards nerfing my new and unknown cash cow!

Just now, Pretty Green said:

It is because Palpatine was a good, working card used by many.

Or it was a broken, ubiquitous card, relied on as a crutch by many. (Or, as I personally believe, somewhere in the middle.)

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FFG certainly did not make the game better by this.

Citation needed.

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Do you honestly think that Palpatine was dominating the championships or casual play and only few stood any chance?

Non-sequitur.

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Sure it was powerful, but not too much. Not it´s next to useless in it´s current price and ship restriction.

Citations needed.

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Of course I´m mad a useful effect (which came with an expensive expansion pack) is now turned to something else.

Out of curiosity, what have the exact results been of your testing? A W/L record will suffice, but I'd love more detail.

1 hour ago, StevenO said:

WOW!!! How darn much were the TIE Advanced upgrades selling for? If you could get $30 for Palpatine and even $7 for each pair of TIE/Advance "fixes" (there are 4 of them) you'd be looking at $58 just for selling a few upgrade cards. Now maybe the Raider retails for $100 but you probably could have found it for a LOT less so you're probably not looking at $20 for the Raider, a TIE Advanced, and a bunch of other things granted you could still sell off the extra unique Advance pilots.

If that is what Palpatine was selling for it sure does make it sketchy when you write to FFG saying your Raider (which you may not actually have) is missing that one card so it would be nice if they could send you a replacement.

There are plenty of people buying a Raider and selling parts. Palpatine was selling for $25-30 (with "free" shipping, meaning the seller eats the costs). The TIE Advanced Title with Advanced Targeting Computer regularly go for $10, and there are 4 sets of those. Then folks sell the Raider as a "display model" or "Epic ready but without Palpatine" for $40-ish. Bottom line, if you could get a Raider on sale you can make money, even after eBay fees. I've done that process several times now, and I'm sitting on an un-opened Raider right now. I expect the other parts are going to hold their value, but Palpatine is most likely going to drop.

Sorting in reverse order (recent to older) the "sold" auctions on eBay for Palpatine are $37 ($34 + $3 shipping), $35.99, $25.99 + 2.67 shipping, $30 + $2.67 shipping, and $39.99.

12 minutes ago, Gadgetron said:

WHAT?! I've had one since the raider released, never even used him!

FFG the b*astards nerfing my new and unknown cash cow!

Sell it quickly. The most recent "sold" transaction on eBay was for $37 ($34 +$3 shipping). eBay costs amount to about 10%, so that seller cleared around $32-ish.

1 minute ago, drathbun said:

Sell it quickly. The most recent "sold" transaction on eBay was for $37 ($34 +$3 shipping). eBay costs amount to about 10%, so that seller cleared around $32-ish.

AAAAAH Anyone wanna buy a Palpy?!

Hey Nathan29292.... want a matching pair of palps....?

4 minutes ago, Gadgetron said:

Hey Nathan29292.... want a matching pair of palps....?

Palp someone's pair, and who knows ... you could end up POTUS.

25 minutes ago, Gadgetron said:

AAAAAH Anyone wanna buy a Palpy?!

Hey Nathan29292.... want a matching pair of palps....?

I will gladly pay you tomorrow for a Palpatine three months ago

On 3/7/2017 at 10:57 AM, Nathan29292 said:

Besides, playability is not the point. Investing in a collection for competitive tournament viability is the point. I am now incentivized to buy as little as possible to mitigate future losses to nerfs.

I would point out that by investing in a collection purely for its Competitive Viability is the best way to maximize future losses due to Nerfs.

There is nothing wrong with spending the minimum amount possible to field the most competitive squad you can, it happens in every game of this type, be it 40k, Warmahords, Malifaux whatever but expecting to only have to do that once is, in my opinion extremely naive.
Nothing is going to be at the top forever.
Be it through nerfs which have been a thing since Wave 4 when they hit how cloak works to specifically reign in Whisper; or through the evolution of the Meta, which saw to the decline of Quad TLT.
No list has remained as the best list.

Sure it sucks if you buy something literally right before a nerf comes but this conclusion seems rather flawed.

Kris

On 3/7/2017 at 10:57 AM, Nathan29292 said:

I agree on the x7s. Definitely probably still a given on defenders, though I think the incentive to actually play those defenders has decreased.

Palp still playable though? I highly doubt it. 29 points minimum for a gamble?

Besides, playability is not the point. Investing in a collection for competitive tournament viability is the point. I am now incentivized to buy as little as possible to mitigate future losses to nerfs.

If your just looking to play the tournament scene with spending as little money as possible you are in the wrong hobby. Or just play casually. A healthy meta should be constantly changing and you likely will have to spend dollars to keep up. Think of all the people that went out and bought 3 jumpmasters before they changed deadeye.

2 hours ago, Jeff Wilder said:

But I'm baffled by how shocked and appalled some people are by the idea that a company issues errata in the sincere (whether misguided or not) effort to make a game better. I'm not being condescending ... I genuinely don't understand the reaction.

Something changes.
Some people, just by the force of numbers, will have the vague impression that others are more benefited or less harmed by the change. Of those, a few will be overcome by the rage against the perceived injustice.
Give them internet conection and they will claim their incensed disgust with inistence.

Is a fairly common behavior in the human nature.

Very useful sometimes, engine of the human progress in not few occasions. Mildly annoying at best when not.

2 hours ago, drathbun said:

There are plenty of people buying a Raider and selling parts. Palpatine was selling for $25-30 (with "free" shipping, meaning the seller eats the costs). The TIE Advanced Title with Advanced Targeting Computer regularly go for $10, and there are 4 sets of those. Then folks sell the Raider as a "display model" or "Epic ready but without Palpatine" for $40-ish. Bottom line, if you could get a Raider on sale you can make money, even after eBay fees. I've done that process several times now, and I'm sitting on an un-opened Raider right now. I expect the other parts are going to hold their value, but Palpatine is most likely going to drop.

Sorting in reverse order (recent to older) the "sold" auctions on eBay for Palpatine are $37 ($34 + $3 shipping), $35.99, $25.99 + 2.67 shipping, $30 + $2.67 shipping, and $39.99.

If you've got the time and resources to do it I don't know that anyone would stop you from chopping up the big boxes. It is a bit sad in some ways but I know it happened with the Rebel Transport (X-Wing stuff vs. ship stuff) and Corvette (C-3PO!) but at least these products aren't "limited edition" so those of us who are patient can just get them at whatever retail is later.

If you're buying the Raider and selling the parts I hope you're not writing customer service and saying how often Palpatine has been missing from those boxes. I know there's good customer service but I hate seeing it abused although sometimes I think the CS response could lead to various abuses.

PS. I REALLY hope you don't go out "buy up" all of the product you can to create that artificial shortage which can then drive up prices. I can remember seeing OUTRAGEOUS prices for expansions ($30+ for a small ship) just because some of the local markets didn't have enough supply.