7 hours ago, skotothalamos said:

You got "a palp" and "the x7 titles"?

Sounds like FFG wasn't getting your dollars anyway.

FFG doesn't care whose dollars it gets. It's primarily selling wholesake anyway.

Somebody bought the ships associated with those cards, and that's all that matters.

7 hours ago, Nathan29292 said:

Just adding my voice to the many. I've played competitive strategy games for nearly my entire life (bought my first mtg booster pack in 1993 the week they were released), so I get it. A healthy meta is what every competitive player should want.

I got into Armada when it was released. I had heard of X wing but never played it, and recently got bored enough trying to get games of armada locally that I decided to try x wing, and was instantly hooked. This is about six months ago now.

I decided after playing many games with proxies to pull the trigger and get a palp, as well as the remaining cards I was missing, the x7 titles.

I got my palp on friday, and played my first game with it on Sunday.

And then Monday came.

Look I obviously understand that this stings way more than it would if I hadn't literally just spent a bunch of money finishing the list. But now, everytime I consider buying for a list I want to play, I am going to think... are they just going to nerf this? I haven't yet bought into scum, playing rebels and empire has been plenty so far, but I was certainly going to. And now I'm not sure I want to drop cash on a bunch of ships when my lists can just get nerfed into the ground. Not only is the time and energy wasted, but my monetary investment is lost as well.

I'm sure FFG has thought about this, obviously. They must feel that things were really bad enough to do it anyway. But I am going to think long and hard before they get another one of my dollars.

It's certainly within your right to be dissatisfied as a consumer regardless of what anyone says here. How you decide to build lists, how you spend your gaming dollars putting your kit together, what you fly, etc is also your right. There is no established "right way" to how you decide to do these things. Nova squadron put out a great episode this week where they talk about the state of the game now (pre Monday's nerf mind you) including a discussion about the "right way" to play: http://novasquadronradio.com/episode-65-the-state-of-the-game/

Point being ... buy what you want, play what you want, be indignant now over your purchases if you want. It's your right. However, FFG reserves the right to errata their games as they see fit. If that's a deal breaker for you, well that's your right too.

1 hour ago, NeverTellMeTheOdds said:

Theft? Get real... you and the other guys boohooing for poor FFG are probably the same guys running to shapeways and buying unlicensed models. If I had them professionally printed where yoh couldn't tell the difference would that be OK? I can assure you I'm far from the only person doing this. This nerf is just all the more reaso to do it. Like I said before, I'd be pretty mad if I spent $100 on a ship just for a card (that FFG won't sell separately) just to have that card nerfed. Especially since this has never been done in this game's 5 year existence?

Yes, theft. Your (now deleted) post admitted as much.

Don't try turn this back against others with unsubstantiated accusations.

25 minutes ago, Sixter said:

Excuse me for asking like an idiot, but why is netlisting so frowned upon in this community?

It's not. It's denigrated by some individuals, not by the community. The rationale for the shade being thrown is that list-building is a skill, and if someone is a super-talented list-builder (like, say, Jeff Berling; he really is) then they, and they alone, "deserve" the benefits of the list.

It's specious and stupid. Ignore any shade thrown your way about it.

(The funniest thing is that for a lot of the lists, the people who think they are the first to have built it aren't even close. Most powerful lists are conceived and built before ships are even released.)

7 hours ago, Nathan29292 said:

The x7s came from retail. So thanks for your pointless and unhelpful comment.

There's no other way to get that sexy Red Defender, so it's a good purchase.

50 minutes ago, Sixter said:

Fair enough. In my case I bought the first three epic ships (Transport, Corvette and Raider) because there are cards in there that were immediately relevant in the standard format. I did certainly hope at the time that the epic format would evolve so that those ships would hit the table in the immediate future. So far almost nobody at my store plays epic,and can you blame them? Sure, you can play a 300 pt "epic" game but unless youre completely fooling around you will just see a 300 pt standard X-wing game.

In any case, respect, I just dont understand FFGs marketing strategy and how it relates to my consumer habits at the moment (feeling confused).

Well, I don't blame them, but the only thing preventing you from playing Epic is yourselves.

And NO, 300 point X-Wing with or without Huge ships is NOT the same game.

Shoot, play a 200 point game just once and see how it differs. Play it on 6x3.

OTOH, my largest disappointment in X-Wing is that there is dreadful little support for the aspect of the game that asks you to buy the most expensive components.

16 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

It's not. It's denigrated by some individuals, not by the community. The rationale for the shade being thrown is that list-building is a skill, and if someone is a super-talented list-builder (like, say, Jeff Berling; he really is) then they, and they alone, "deserve" the benefits of the list.

It's specious and stupid. Ignore any shade thrown your way about it.

(The funniest thing is that for a lot of the lists, the people who think they are the first to have built it aren't even close. Most powerful lists are conceived and built before ships are even released.)

Yeah, i treat list building like basketball plays- everything's been seen before, and you just kind of expect them to know what you run anyway so it's all about executing and sometimes throwing in a few wrinkles.

47 minutes ago, Sixter said:

Excuse me for asking like an idiot, but why is netlisting so frowned upon in this community? I wish I had more time to play and develop my own lists, but at the time being Id rather put my effort into learning to play lists that have already shown results. In this current age (the age of the internet) I would have thought that was considered quite mainstream.

Actually, it's really is personal preference, and I can see both sides. I do not net-list because (A) building my list is my favorite part of the game (just as deck building was my favorite part of Magic) and (B) I just play casual, so I don't want to win--I want to see what my list can (and can't) do.

From a "moral" perspective, I guess I would say that in a game like this, the discovery of combos that work, and the personal endeavor to find them, makes net-listing seem a little like cheating, or at least not a full personal investment in discovering the iniquities of the game for yourself.

I will still get a second Scout (eventually) and have no regrets buying the raider. It is a beautiful centerpiece model amongst the rest and will one day rain death (upon itself if Rebels is anything to go by).

So Palp won´ t be quite as good. That is the point, is it not, of a nerf? But it brings him into Line, not a centerpiece to continually build around but a good option should one want it. He is still going to as effective 7 out of 8 turns.... then you´ll get the double focus on the evades that you´´ will focus into evades anyway, in spite of his help. ****, life sucks!

The chance of an inconsequential crit call result is laughable. Now you have to choose. I love it, and am glad that the original OP has to play that way, even if he probably now feels he got overcharged by a few bucks on each card.

5 hours ago, NeverTellMeTheOdds said:

Theft? Get real... you and the other guys boohooing for poor FFG are probably the same guys running to shapeways and buying unlicensed models. If I had them professionally printed where yoh couldn't tell the difference would that be OK? I can assure you I'm far from the only person doing this. This nerf is just all the more reaso to do it. Like I said before, I'd be pretty mad if I spent $100 on a ship just for a card (that FFG won't sell separately) just to have that card nerfed. Especially since this has never been done in this game's 5 year existence?

Haha... Randall Munroe (xkcd) created a comic featuring NeverTellMeTheOdds! https://xkcd.com/1499/

4 hours ago, Marinealver said:

You can still palp a gunner. You can name any result it doesn't have to be an evade or a crit. and it is before your roll not before an attack. So if a gunner makes an attack and only gets one hit you can say focus or blank, and if you roll an evade you can modify it.

Of course. it's just a lot harder to do successfully without the perfect information from your roll yet.

10 hours ago, Nathan29292 said:

Ha! So I should not buy powerful cards or ships, in case they get nerfed. Great advice!

Exactly! Always buy the SECOND most powerful thing. Because after the most powerful thing gets nerfed, you'll have the most powerful thing!

41 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

Exactly! Always buy the SECOND most powerful thing. Because after the most powerful thing gets nerfed, you'll have the most powerful thing!

Unless, of course, they nerf 4 cards in one fell swoop...

12 hours ago, Hepitude said:

This is horrible. Just... horrible.

If you link back to this post, it quoted NeverTellMeTheOdds self admission to internet fraud (502(c) California Penal Code if you're interested in reading the particular elements of this crime.)

I still say Imp Vets is the best expansion ever made for this game, with the second best being Most Wanted. And defenders are still awesome after the FAQ. Palpatine was OP, almost to the extent of Phantoms, when in combo with high agility token stackers. This nerf brings him down to a very reasonable level, he's still powerful when used with skill, and maybe, just maybe we will see some variety again in IMP lists and see rebels become more viable. And finally we might be seeing the last of the toilet seats as gatekeepers for list building.

4 hours ago, Vitalis said:

19 hours ago, Nathan29292 said:

I decided after playing many games with proxies to pull the trigger and get a palp, as well as the remaining cards I was missing, the x7 titles.

I got my palp on friday, and played my first game with it on Sunday.

And then Monday came.

Man that was the most terrible luck I have seen in a while! Sorry mate.

To smoothen the blow though, in some part as you and others said, x7 is still awesome and I would say it has not lost much in either game or dollar value. Palp... Well, it is still a good card, but I would say it has dropped a bit in dolar value and even more in game value. I wish the faq/errata had come with a 2-3 point drop in cost as well. Still a good card though.

Joe... I was unlucky enought that I suffered "Legend" 30+ years ago. I was very excited and expected "Conan the Barbarian" experience...

Pain. Lots of pain. Worst film ever.

1 minute ago, Hexdot said:

Joe... I was unlucky enought that I suffered "Legend" 30+ years ago. I was very excited and expected "Conan the Barbarian" experience...

Pain. Lots of pain. Worst film ever.

I like it for the fairytale aspects, it is creepy and cool... I think.

18 hours ago, wurms said:

Palp and x7 got nerfed, but so did just about every competitive scum build in the last 5 months, so Palpy Commonwealth will still be fine, just watch out for rebel control now, but hey maybe that means less K-bombers! Good for everyone!

This is a good point. You are more likely to convert a red die to a crit now, than wait for an evade you might not ever need. And because of this change, Maarek defender could get some serious play in uber aggressive Palp builds. Certain lists die, others are born.

Importantly, it means that with Swarm Leader and lightweight frame, 2-dice ships have some kind of life again. Not anything like they were used to, just a horrific quasi-life like Cinnamon Bun has.

12 minutes ago, Hexdot said:

Joe... I was unlucky enought that I suffered "Legend" 30+ years ago. I was very excited and expected "Conan the Barbarian" experience...

Pain. Lots of pain. Worst film ever.

It was all one long Timotei advert.

My hair never felt so clean after a movie.

I was 13 years old (or 12 or 14). Discovered Conan the Barbarian one year earlier. Film. Comics. Books later on. Crush. Slash.

And no Arnold. Tom Cruise. Crit against my face. And my Grandma gave me the money to buy the ticket. So "It was great. Amazing. Thanks a lot". Kiss. Kiss. And my friends played a Dauntless game (Air Force gamette, Avalon Hill). First game Zeros against B 17s and P 51s.

Negative film experience

13 hours ago, NeverTellMeTheOdds said:

Theft? Get real... you and the other guys boohooing for poor FFG are probably the same guys running to shapeways and buying unlicensed models. If I had them professionally printed where yoh couldn't tell the difference would that be OK? I can assure you I'm far from the only person doing this. This nerf is just all the more reaso to do it. Like I said before, I'd be pretty mad if I spent $100 on a ship just for a card (that FFG won't sell separately) just to have that card nerfed. Especially since this has never been done in this game's 5 year existence?

I can assure you I'm far from the only person sleeping with your wife, does that make it ok?

The idea that you doing something shady (read illegal) is ok because other people are doing shady stuff is not a good argument.

*yes this is a personal attack*
*But this guy deserves it*
*yeah go ahead and throw another warning on my account*

5 minutes ago, Hexdot said:

I was 13 years old (or 12 or 14). Discovered Conan the Barbarian one year earlier. Film. Comics. Books later on. Crush. Slash.

And no Arnold. Tom Cruise. Crit against my face. And my Grandma gave me the money to buy the ticket. So "It was great. Amazing. Thanks a lot". Kiss. Kiss. And my friends played a Dauntless game (Air Force gamette, Avalon Hill). First game Zeros against B 17s and P 51s.

Negative film experience

The swamp hag Meg Mucklebones is still one of the scariest and coolest effects in film, thank you Robert Picardo for a great performance. Tim Curry was AWESOME, there's no denying that. Otherwise if you want expect anything like Conan from ANY 80s fantasy movie you WILL be disappoint.

and from a Conan fan, the films were not the most accurate portrayal of the Cimmerian, more like a Kull move with the name swapped, and some Tower of the Elephant thrown in for D&D thiefly B&E shenanigans.