Just adding my voice to the many. I've played competitive strategy games for nearly my entire life (bought my first mtg booster pack in 1993 the week they were released), so I get it. A healthy meta is what every competitive player should want.

I got into Armada when it was released. I had heard of X wing but never played it, and recently got bored enough trying to get games of armada locally that I decided to try x wing, and was instantly hooked. This is about six months ago now.

I decided after playing many games with proxies to pull the trigger and get a palp, as well as the remaining cards I was missing, the x7 titles.

I got my palp on friday, and played my first game with it on Sunday.

And then Monday came.

Look I obviously understand that this stings way more than it would if I hadn't literally just spent a bunch of money finishing the list. But now, everytime I consider buying for a list I want to play, I am going to think... are they just going to nerf this? I haven't yet bought into scum, playing rebels and empire has been plenty so far, but I was certainly going to. And now I'm not sure I want to drop cash on a bunch of ships when my lists can just get nerfed into the ground. Not only is the time and energy wasted, but my monetary investment is lost as well.

I'm sure FFG has thought about this, obviously. They must feel that things were really bad enough to do it anyway. But I am going to think long and hard before they get another one of my dollars.

You got "a palp" and "the x7 titles"?

Sounds like FFG wasn't getting your dollars anyway.

A secondary market is only good for any competitive game, so I'm not sure where your snarky response is coming from. Yes, I did get the palp on eBay, because I'm not stupid. If they want me to buy a card at retail, they can package it in an expansion that at least has the potential to see tournament play. I'm not aware of any rules that this breaks. Someone bought it, it's not like I decreased the number of palps in the world. If they want my money directly they can do what's best for the customers and not force someone to buy a $100 expansion for one single upgrade card.

The x7s came from retail. So thanks for your pointless and unhelpful comment.

I also just bought a second Imperial Veterans expansion at Endor. I have no regrets about that decision today.

They are both still playable, especially the x7s.

I don't want to take away from the discomfort caused by the timing, but I'm going to put some questions you should ask yourself before you are buying stuff.

1. Am I buying this ship because I think I'll enjoy flying it? (Y/N)
2. If (N) then am I buying it simply because it's powerful in tournaments? (Y/N)
3. If it's dominating the tournament scene - might it be a tad bit broken and therefor prone to nerf? (Y/N)

I buy for fun first, so I don't need to worry about the next two. Sure, I just started playing with Attinni mindlink on Manaroo literally last week with a non-Parattinni list, but I'm not at all concerned about the nerf. To me it shakes things up and I'll get to face some wildly different and potentially inspired lists for a while until the next big thing happens.

Bad timing, sorry to hear about your pain. Play it anyway. It's still a legal list, it just means you'll need to think harder how to win with it.

7 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

They are both still playable, especially the x7s.

I agree on the x7s. Definitely probably still a given on defenders, though I think the incentive to actually play those defenders has decreased.

Palp still playable though? I highly doubt it. 29 points minimum for a gamble?

Besides, playability is not the point. Investing in a collection for competitive tournament viability is the point. I am now incentivized to buy as little as possible to mitigate future losses to nerfs.

9 minutes ago, skotothalamos said:

You got "a palp" and "the x7 titles"?

Sounds like FFG wasn't getting your dollars anyway.

/x7 is still probably the top Imperial ship, and for all the hysterics Palpatine is still a lot of what he was.

Your investment has devalued but not been lost entirely, not by a long shot.

40 minutes ago, Nathan29292 said:

I decided after playing many games with proxies to pull the trigger and get a palp, as well as the remaining cards I was missing, the x7 titles.

If you were playing for months with proxies, then you already got your money's worth. You just paid for your fun a few months later with 0 interest.

5 minutes ago, Nathan29292 said:

Besides, playability is not the point. Investing in a collection for competitive tournament viability is the point. I am now incentivized to buy as little as possible to mitigate future losses to nerfs.

If you didn't happen to already own these cards you were probably already buying as little as possible. If you are buying as little as possible for tournament power under the belief that it will always be powerful in tournaments, well.... there's a long list of stuff you'd be disappointed about having absolutely nothing to do with any changes to their text.

I'm not sure exactly what list you were planning on running but a pair of X7 Defenders and a Palp Shuttle is still going to be a solid squad. It got taken down a notch but should still be able to hold its own against just about anything that gets thrown at it.

12 minutes ago, Budgernaut said:

If you were playing for months with proxies, then you already got your money's worth. You just paid for your fun a few months later with 0 interest.

Ummm what???? No...

I can understand your frustration. I have a friend who pretty much quit the game because he had just gotten used to flying triple jump masters, then the nerf for Deadeye came, and I don't think he's interested in playing anymore. It's too bad, because I don't have the same perspective as he, or perhaps you, have.

This game is not just about winning. Investing in cards, or ships, or whatever part of the game you view as the investment, is really a vehicle to having fun. I find flying the ships on the table and hanging out with other Star Wars nerds fun. Sometimes I participate in tournaments, but that competitive edge with a little bit of adrenaline is also fun. I can't really participate in real combat, but pretend combat where there are some stakes is fun.

If you are frustrated about the nerf coming, or perhaps the next thing that gets popular or seems powerful might also get nerfed... well, I can't say that it's not going to happen. I'm able to brush it off, perhaps, because I have a long and wide perspective. It's just a game, and I still have fun even when things get nerfed.

Jacob

23 minutes ago, Nathan29292 said:

I agree on the x7s. Definitely probably still a given on defenders, though I think the incentive to actually play those defenders has decreased.

Palp still playable though? I highly doubt it. 29 points minimum for a gamble?

Besides, playability is not the point. Investing in a collection for competitive tournament viability is the point. I am now incentivized to buy as little as possible to mitigate future losses to nerfs.

This encourages more tactical use of Palp rather than just waiting until he's needed. It also encourages more aggressive use, since you're better off making your reds better than guessing that your greens won't beat their reds.

I suspect Palp in an Upsilon will remain balanced and good.

Palp and x7 got nerfed, but so did just about every competitive scum build in the last 5 months, so Palpy Commonwealth will still be fine, just watch out for rebel control now, but hey maybe that means less K-bombers! Good for everyone!

Just now, thespaceinvader said:

This encourages more tactical use of Palp rather than just waiting until he's needed. It also encourages more aggressive use, since you're better off making your reds better than guessing that your greens won't beat their reds.

I suspect Palp in an Upsilon will remain balanced and good.

This is a good point. You are more likely to convert a red die to a crit now, than wait for an evade you might not ever need. And because of this change, Maarek defender could get some serious play in uber aggressive Palp builds. Certain lists die, others are born.

I think Kylo pilot and RAC will make good use of Palp. You have to build RAC down to a budget, but that's a list where you can use him hyper-aggressively to punch out crits like candy.

I'm I the only person who's strategy with x7s didn't involve ramming them into other ships and rocks?

It's not like the nerfing of Palpatine or TIE/x7 should have come as a surprise. Before buying from the secondary market, you should have done your research. (No way to know for sure, but if there were I would bet whomever sold you those cards did his research and had a good solid suspicion a nerf was coming. Buy low, sell high, and caveat emptor.)

38 minutes ago, Nathan29292 said:

Besides, playability is not the point. Investing in a collection for competitive tournament viability is the point. I am now incentivized to buy as little as possible to mitigate future losses to nerfs.

And this is exactly what all of us casuals are talking about when we complain about they way the game is produced. This fun, thematic, pew pew game is being ruined by the slavish devotion to competitive 100/6.

Now if someone had run out and spent the approximately $300USD to run triple scouts right before the errata to deadeye... well... unnnggghhhh... Nope. Sorry. Can't even make myself experience empathy for that imaginary individual. Tried though.

In all seriousness. That does sting, I'm sure. This game is not Magic though. And your X7's are still solid and Palpatine is still strong and also so much more FUN now. Games thrive on interesting decisions made from incomplete information. Both players should enjoy games with Palpatine more now. That is good.

9 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

And this is exactly what all of us casuals are talking about when we complain about they way the game is produced. This fun, thematic, pew pew game is being ruined by the slavish devotion to competitive 100/6.

I think you meant "filthy casuals".

58 minutes ago, NeverTellMeTheOdds said:

This is why I don't buy individual cards, I also refuse to buy a $100 ship for a single card. Mine are always mysteriously "missing" and I have to contact customer support to get replacements... until FFG starts offering a better alternative (I would buy them direct from FFG for a fair price) I'm going to have to continue doing it...

This is horrible. Just... horrible.

Too soon?

Yeah well since I get one of everything and only double up on ships I feel that need to work in pairs the nerfs are not a problem for me.

What is a problem is now that all my cards now say the wrong thing since all the nerfs and buffs were not in forms of a new ship or a new upgrade but literally changing the words on the cards. Well again you bring the whole proxy argument because you only wanted the cards for competitive standard format and not the ships for fun. Then again well now even if you get the ships you will still be better off proxying the cards.

10 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

I'm I the only person who's strategy with x7s didn't involve ramming them into other ships and rocks?

It's not like it was a core part of my plan, but being able to rely on that evade token at all times was a key part of my Defender play and a main reason why I loved using Juke on them so much. If I was at full shields, I usually would have no issues intentionally flying over obstacles to maintain my shot, and would use tactical speed-3 bumps. Those options are off the table now.

2 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

It's not like it was a core part of my plan, but being able to rely on that evade token at all times was a key part of my Defender play and a main reason why I loved using Juke on them so much. If I was at full shields, I usually would have no issues intentionally flying over obstacles to maintain my shot, and would use tactical speed-3 bumps. Those options are off the table now.

"Tactical" used in regard to x7s causes me to...

5 minutes ago, Marinealver said: