Today's FAQ stops U-Wings from revealing a stop while stressed, turning their ship 180 using the title, and then perfroming a 2 straight because they dialed in a red maneuver while stressed.

FAQ, pg 6

'Revealing Red Maneuvers
When a player reveals a red maneuver for a stressed ship, the only card
effects he may resolve are those that change the maneuver to a different
one (Adrenaline Rush, Navigator, etc.). After resolving these effects, if the
ship would still be executing a red maneuver, the owner moves the ship as
if it were assigned a white [straight 2] maneuver instead. The speed, bearing, and
difficulty of this maneuver cannot be changed.'

I'm glad they sorted that one out.

Interestingly it also means that none of the other 'reveal-dial' stuff will work on red-when-stressed, so in particular, no dropping of bombs in that situation.

4 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Interestingly it also means that none of the other 'reveal-dial' stuff will work on red-when-stressed, so in particular, no dropping of bombs in that situation.

Seems fair. Unfortuanately, I can't think of a way to use this against bomb lists.

Given that K Wings don't have red moves, it seems unlikely that you'll succeed in making them do a red whilst stressed...

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

Given that K Wings don't have red moves, it seems unlikely that you'll succeed in making them do a red whilst stressed...

I find it disapointing that we take for granted that the only possible bomb list are with K-Wing

1 hour ago, jmswood said:

Seems fair. Unfortuanately, I can't think of a way to use this against bomb lists.

15 minutes ago, muribundi said:

I find it disapointing that we take for granted that the only possible bomb list are with K-Wing

Just last Friday I had a great moment with Zuvio and a Proton Bomb... I was already stressed, so revealing a reverse to drop out the front would mean I would be hit by my own proton bomb (I had bombardier, so I would literally be on top of it)... My opponent was sure I'd never do that, and planned his maneuver accordingly (For his Vessery, 3 shields 1 hull after being hit by 2 other Proton Bombs, where my Zuvio had 3 hull left)... Too bad I was exactly that crazy!

4 minutes ago, Innese said:

Just last Friday I had a great moment with Zuvio and a Proton Bomb... I was already stressed, so revealing a reverse to drop out the front would mean I would be hit by my own proton bomb (I had bombardier, so I would literally be on top of it)... My opponent was sure I'd never do that, and planned his maneuver accordingly (For his Vessery, 3 shields 1 hull after being hit by 2 other Proton Bombs, where my Zuvio had 3 hull left)... Too bad I was exactly that crazy!

Zuvio flying to the danger zone

1 minute ago, DeathstarII said:

Zuvio flying to the danger zone

Its a pretty wacky list. Zuvio dropping PBs out the front, Kavil actually using Genius & Engine Upgrade to move and drop PBs, and then Suhlak's hammer of a concussion missile

9 hours ago, WWHSD said:

Today's FAQ stops U-Wings from revealing a stop while stressed, turning their ship 180 using the title, and then perfroming a 2 straight because they dialed in a red maneuver while stressed.

FAQ, pg 6

'Revealing Red Maneuvers
When a player reveals a red maneuver for a stressed ship, the only card
effects he may resolve are those that change the maneuver to a different
one...

Good catch! I saw that block, but didn't put together what it was aimed at.

Didnt even notice its a blanket thing, not "if you revealed a red while stressed" specific scenario.

So, actionless bombs just got nerfed to be stress-cancelled? wth? That is some really bad choice of words. It makes no mention that this is referring to red moves while stressed other than "if they are STILL doing a red move"after the allowed reveal triggers.

edit: nvm.

2 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

Didnt even notice its a blanket thing, not "if you revealed a red while stressed" specific scenario.

So, actionless bombs just got nerfed to be stress-cancelled? wth? That is some really bad choice of words. It makes no mention that this is referring to red moves while stressed other than "if they are STILL doing a red move"after the allowed reveal triggers.

It is a bit weird. Its actually even fluffy for aircraft to sometimes drop their payloads if something is wrong(pilot is stressed). WW2 you'd sometimes have guys just drop their bombs because they spotted enemy fighters and needed the maneuverability.

5 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

Didnt even notice its a blanket thing, not "if you revealed a red while stressed" specific scenario.

So, actionless bombs just got nerfed to be stress-cancelled? wth? That is some really bad choice of words. It makes no mention that this is referring to red moves while stressed other than "if they are STILL doing a red move"after the allowed reveal triggers.

How do you figure? The whole paragraph starts with "When a player reveals a red maneuver for a stressed ship...".

9 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

Didnt even notice its a blanket thing, not "if you revealed a red while stressed" specific scenario.

So, actionless bombs just got nerfed to be stress-cancelled? wth? That is some really bad choice of words. It makes no mention that this is referring to red moves while stressed other than "if they are STILL doing a red move"after the allowed reveal triggers.

It looks like it only limits you to the type of effects that you can resolve if you reveal a red while stressed. You can still drop an on-reveal bomb with a red maneuver, just not if you are stressed.

Ships with Hera crew will get hit with this even though it is legal for them to assign a red maneuver while stressed, right?

3 minutes ago, WWHSD said:

It looks like it only limits you to the type of effects that you can resolve if you reveal a red while stressed. You can still drop an on-reveal bomb with a red maneuver, just not if you are stressed.

Ships with Hera crew will get hit with this even though it is legal for them to assign a red maneuver while stressed, right?

Oh, technically yeah. Although it wouldn't come up much.

1 minute ago, digitalbusker said:

Oh, technically yeah. Although it wouldn't come up much.

We've never let that get in our way before here in the rules forum, have we?

1 hour ago, digitalbusker said:

Oh, technically yeah. Although it wouldn't come up much.

Really? I was trying out a nice new U wing list the other day with Hera, Rage and Inspiring Recruit!

Do you think this is an oversight on FFG's part or is it deliberate to stop this maneuvre?

14 minutes ago, irishthump said:

Really? I was trying out a nice new U wing list the other day with Hera, Rage and Inspiring Recruit!

Do you think this is an oversight on FFG's part or is it deliberate to stop this maneuvre?

Oversight. I think that the intention is that Hera crew has you ignore this block of text. The wording of the FAQ seems to have drifted from something along the lines of revealing an illegal maneuver to specifically revealing a red maneuver when stressed. While it's not an illegal maneuver for Hera it still is revealing a red maneuver when stressed.

A U-Wing with Hera crew should be able to pivot in place for as long as it would like.

2 minutes ago, WWHSD said:

Oversight. I think that the intention is that Hera crew has you ignore this block of text. The wording of the FAQ seems to have drifted from something along the lines of revealing an illegal maneuver to specifically revealing a red maneuver when stressed.

A U-Wing with Hera crew should be able to pivot in place for as long as it would like.

That's what I was hoping. My plan was to do just that, not try to exploit a loophole to perform a white maneuver!

14 hours ago, BadMotivator said:

It is a bit weird. Its actually even fluffy for aircraft to sometimes drop their payloads if something is wrong(pilot is stressed). WW2 you'd sometimes have guys just drop their bombs because they spotted enemy fighters and needed the maneuverability.

But they dont arm the bombs when they drop them. I mean, obviously gravity kills them, but there's no gravity in space.

21 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Interestingly it also means that none of the other 'reveal-dial' stuff will work on red-when-stressed, so in particular, no dropping of bombs in that situation.

Surely that's an oversight on FFGs behalf.

It's rare enough that it's an acceptable casualty i would expect.

9 hours ago, spacelion said:

But they dont arm the bombs when they drop them. I mean, obviously gravity kills them, but there's no gravity in space.

Depends. If you're already in a combat situation your bombs are likely already armed. Especially something like a proximity bomb.

On 3/7/2017 at 1:27 AM, WWHSD said:

Today's FAQ stops U-Wings from revealing a stop while stressed, turning their ship 180 using the title, and then perfroming a 2 straight because they dialed in a red maneuver while stressed.

Some of us argued they never could do so anyway, but explicit clarification is nice.

On Tuesday, March 07, 2017 at 6:42 PM, irishthump said:

That's what I was hoping. My plan was to do just that, not try to exploit a loophole to perform a white maneuver!

Anyone ever tried hera, chopper and expert handling on a uwing to do pivots and barrel rolls on the spot?