In my experience game companies don't generally respond to questions deemed obvious in the rules. Hopefully you get an answer, and in time, but it sounds like you are going to have to play by the made-up rules of an ignorant TO. Sorry.

You could also point out that if it was supposed to be Kanan only, it would be worded as "when defending." Such examples would include:

Norra Wexley - When (attacking or) defending, you may spend a target lock you have on the enemy ship to add 1 result to your roll.

Zeb Orrelios - When defending, you may cancel <crit> results before <hit> results.

Ezra Bridger - When defending, if you are stressed, you may change 2 of your <eye> results to <evade> results.

Ibtisam - When (attacking or) defending, if you have at least one stress token, you may reroll 1 of your dice.

Jess Pava - When (attacking or) defending, you may reroll 1 of your dice for each other friendly ship at Range 1.

Poe Dameron - While (attacking or) defending, if you have a focus token, you may change 1 of your <eye> results to a <hit> or <evade> result.

Luke Skywalker - When defending, you may change 1 of your <eye> results to a <evade> result.

Rey - When (attacking or) defending, if the enemy ship is inside your firing arc, you may reroll up to 2 of your blank results.

Notice how every single one of these starts with "When/While Defending," indicating that the pilot ability triggers when the pilot is attacked. Compare this to Kanan's ability.

Kanan Jarrus - When an enemy ship at Range 1-2 is attacking, you may spend a focus token. If you do, the attacker rolls 1 less attack die.

Kanan's ability is CLEARLY different. The trigger is not "when defending" but rather when "When an enemy ship (@ R1-2) is attacking." Therefore, Kanan does not have to be the defender.

I would have forced my opponent to actually followed the rules despite what the TO says. If my opponent doesn't want to do that, then I guess end game is I would have to be forcibly removed from the store at some point.

I found infinite match streamed on youtube with Kanan - Biggs, show them to him, he can always say they are all wrong, but then he is really against everyone else...

3 hours ago, Khyros said:

You could also point out that if it was supposed to be Kanan only, it would be worded as "when defending." Such examples would include:

Norra Wexley - When (attacking or) defending, you may spend a target lock you have on the enemy ship to add 1 result to your roll.

Zeb Orrelios - When defending, you may cancel <crit> results before <hit> results.

Ezra Bridger - When defending, if you are stressed, you may change 2 of your <eye> results to <evade> results.

Ibtisam - When (attacking or) defending, if you have at least one stress token, you may reroll 1 of your dice.

Jess Pava - When (attacking or) defending, you may reroll 1 of your dice for each other friendly ship at Range 1.

Poe Dameron - While (attacking or) defending, if you have a focus token, you may change 1 of your <eye> results to a <hit> or <evade> result.

Luke Skywalker - When defending, you may change 1 of your <eye> results to a <evade> result.

Rey - When (attacking or) defending, if the enemy ship is inside your firing arc, you may reroll up to 2 of your blank results.

Notice how every single one of these starts with "When/While Defending," indicating that the pilot ability triggers when the pilot is attacked. Compare this to Kanan's ability.

Kanan Jarrus - When an enemy ship at Range 1-2 is attacking, you may spend a focus token. If you do, the attacker rolls 1 less attack die.

Kanan's ability is CLEARLY different. The trigger is not "when defending" but rather when "When an enemy ship (@ R1-2) is attacking." Therefore, Kanan does not have to be the defender.

Also, if Kana worked as the TO said, it'll be : when an annemy ship is attacking you, you may.......
Nowhere it's specify the target of the attack, only that the ennemy ship is attacking

18 hours ago, The Law said:

Hey guys..

I got a TO here that seem to have a hard time understand the fact that you can spend focus tokens when an enemy ship is attacking at range 1-2 to reduce their attack by 1.

My TO argues that the enemy has to be attacking the ghost for that ability to trigger.

PLEASE! Help me find a FAQ or FFG email stating that the pilot ability triggers when an enemy ship is attacking, and not attacking the ghost directly. It is to the point where he is saying that I will be thrown from the next even if I try to pull this off.

For the life of me, I cannot find anything useful to prove they are wrong.

Thank you!

Show him this:

To The Law 's Tournament Organiser:

YOU'RE WRONG !! SO WRONG !! COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG !!!

Read the card properly and stop inserting text that's not on the CARD!!!

This has been explained multiple times by multiple players from all over the world . Surely you can't think that we're all wrong and you're the only one that's actually right.

3 hours ago, Parravon said:

Show him this:

To The Law 's Tournament Organiser:

YOU'RE WRONG !! SO WRONG !! COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG !!!

Read the card properly and stop inserting text that's not on the CARD!!!

This has been explained multiple times by multiple players from all over the world . Surely you can't think that we're all wrong and you're the only one that's actually right.

Haha, thanks guys.

I contacted the store owner explained the situation, and he contacted his rep at FFG to hopefully get a solidified answer that will appease him.

until then, it's going to be an uphill battle.

Leave it to him now. In the meantime try a different list for a while.

12 hours ago, The Law said:

Well guys..

I've officially lost it.

"Correct it just says when another ship is attacking. and ship abilities can only effect the ship that is is on unless specified otherwise. as the ship ability does not specify otherwise he has to be the target. that is how the rules state it "

Oh and he reads these forums too, so please, tell him how you really feel.

It would appear he does indeed read these forums as I just received a warning for the above post where I called him "an effing idiot". I strikes me that only he would report that post given the rest of us are in agreement he is wrong regarding the interpretation of the rule.

39 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

It would appear he does indeed read these forums as I just received a warning for the above post where I called him "an effing idiot". I strikes me that only he would report that post given the rest of us are in agreement he is wrong regarding the interpretation of the rule.

Lol, your logic is definitely not far off.

He he probably did report you. I just can't wait to have this debate in person. I'm sorry you received a warning from him

To the TO who is the subject of this thread: Why don't you post yourself and explain your thinking behind your (mis)interpretation of how Kanan works?

3 hours ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

To the TO who is the subject of this thread: Why don't you post yourself and explain your thinking behind your (mis)interpretation of how Kanan works?

Yep, I'd be very interested in his reasoning behind that decision. Behavior like that is just immature, everybody makes mistakes. It's no big deal as long as you admit it.

The TO kind of has it right, the pilot ability does only affect the ship unless otherwise stated.

Fortunately Kanan's card does clearly state that the effect applies to an enemy ship.

The ship being targetted is irrelevant, the effect of the pilot ability is being applied to an enemy ship.

51 minutes ago, timgronneberg said:

The TO kind of has it right, the pilot ability does only affect the ship unless otherwise stated.

This isn't remotely true.

Abilities from cards do what they say they do, no more, no less. There's no general rule that things only affect the pilot unless otherwise stated anywhere in the game.

The only general rule that might apply is the rule that 'you' on pilot cards and upgrades refers to the ship, not the player, but that doesn't prevent cards from referencing other ships.

OK, so I put it rather simply, but my point was in regard to the earlier posted quote from the rules reference:

"The word "you" on a Ship card refers to the corresponding ship. Abilities on Ship cards cannot affect other ships unless the ability specifies otherwise"

And the point I was hoping to make was that indeed Kanan's card does specify otherwise. It specifies that an enemy ship is affected.

I am in 100% agreement with the OP.

Here's another idea.

There is a facebook group somewhere (not sure where heh) for X wing TO's. If he can somehow find it, he may receive the ruling from other TO's allowing it to work.

The thing that confuses me most is this: the quoted rule issue is entirely satisfied by Kanan. " The word "you" on a Ship card refers to the corresponding ship. Abilities on Ship cards cannot affect other ships unless the ability specifies otherwise" no friendly ship is affected by Kanan, just an enemy ship at range 1-2 which is attacking. The argument that Kanan can't affect a friendly ship is null since he only affects enemy ships ever.

I just read this whole thread and this whole thing is kind of hilarious. Except for the OP of course, sucks for him being screwed on a silly misinterpretation of a very obvious rule. I will happily throw my 2 cents in that yes OP is 100% correct on how Kanaan works.

My suggestion as well would be take the card one step at a time. The TO is injecting something into the card that isn't there. Take each step individually.

"When an enemy ship at range 1-2 is attacking" Is an enemy at range 1-2 attacking? Yes. Great I can trigger the ability. (This is the point where the TO will try to say yes but he's not attacking Kanaan and you just back up and reiterate the wording in the card, it makes no reference to a target for the enemy, it merely says "attacking" do what the card says no more no less. If Kanaan had to be the target for it to trigger the card would say "when you are defending")

"You may spend a focus token" Cool, I (Kannaan) have a focus token so I will spend it.

"If you do, the attacker rolls 1 fewer die." Okay, I spent the token so the attacker loses a die.

The TO raising the issue about abilities only affecting ships they are on is mostly irrelevant. It does technically kind of apply in this case because Kanaan is in fact affecting another ship: the attacker, but that is spelled out on the card. The way the TO is trying to apply it though it is a non-sequitor. Kanaan's ability has NO interaction with friendly ships, it affects enemies when they attack, that's all.

TL\DR version: OP right TO wrong and it's super obvious.

3 hours ago, sharrrp said:

I just read this whole thread and this whole thing is kind of hilarious. Except for the OP of course, sucks for him being screwed on a silly misinterpretation of a very obvious rule. I will happily throw my 2 cents in that yes OP is 100% correct on how Kanaan works.

My suggestion as well would be take the card one step at a time. The TO is injecting something into the card that isn't there. Take each step individually.

"When an enemy ship at range 1-2 is attacking" Is an enemy at range 1-2 attacking? Yes. Great I can trigger the ability. (This is the point where the TO will try to say yes but he's not attacking Kanaan and you just back up and reiterate the wording in the card, it makes no reference to a target for the enemy, it merely says "attacking" do what the card says no more no less. If Kanaan had to be the target for it to trigger the card would say "when you are defending")

"You may spend a focus token" Cool, I (Kannaan) have a focus token so I will spend it.

"If you do, the attacker rolls 1 fewer die." Okay, I spent the token so the attacker loses a die.

The TO raising the issue about abilities only affecting ships they are on is mostly irrelevant. It does technically kind of apply in this case because Kanaan is in fact affecting another ship: the attacker, but that is spelled out on the card. The way the TO is trying to apply it though it is a non-sequitor. Kanaan's ability has NO interaction with friendly ships, it affects enemies when they attack, that's all.

TL\DR version: OP right TO wrong and it's super obvious.

I've explained it to him every single different way that I could possibly think of.

He just does not understand it.

I left the argument with this:

"So, let me get this straight...

Since Kanan has been released, he has been used in pretty much all major tournaments. He has been played this exact way since he has been released.

Based on your logic and reasoning, every.. single.. person.. who has played this has been wrong?

I very highly doubt it.

You sir, are clearly the rules lawyer above all rules lawyers. You clearly exceed the expectations of a ballbag. Oh the lord mighty TO, king of all rules says the enemy ship has to be attacking Kanan in order for him to remove an attack die.

Admit it. you are wrong.

You are LITERALLY the only person who is wrong about this entire argument. There is not one person who agrees with you.

For the last time.. Lets break this pilot ability down.. so stupid simple even a child can understand it.

When an enemy ship is attacking, ( Great, an enemy ship is attacking. TRIGGER)

You man spend a focus token (Cool, triggered from an enemy ship attacking. Who is he attacking? Dont care, I can spend a focus)

If you do, the attacker rolls 1 fewer attack die. (Alright, so I spent a focus token, to make king TO cry more because he has to attack Biggs, and roll fewer attack die)

Stupid, Easy, Simple to get.

No adding rules, no interpreting them in different ways, No explanation of having to be the one being attacked. Nothing.

And with this I end. I will be playing this list, I will be playing it exactly how I have been playing it. I pray I am paired up against you to see you throw a hissy fit and embarrass yourself in front of the store, and not behind the safety of a computer screen, where you can edit your responses so you don't sound like a ballbag. "

That's a bit harsh. Maybe the communication is the problem? I dont know your history with said TO.

Anyhow, everyone else has said what needs to be said: do what the card says, not what it doesn't say.

Good luck!

On 3/6/2017 at 10:22 PM, The Law said:

Hey guys..

I got a TO here that seem to have a hard time understand the fact that you can spend focus tokens when an enemy ship is attacking at range 1-2 to reduce their attack by 1.

My TO argues that the enemy has to be attacking the ghost for that ability to trigger.

PLEASE! Help me find a FAQ or FFG email stating that the pilot ability triggers when an enemy ship is attacking, and not attacking the ghost directly. It is to the point where he is saying that I will be thrown from the next even if I try to pull this off.

For the life of me, I cannot find anything useful to prove they are wrong.

Thank you!

First of all, how did this even make it to the TO? Most people should be able to resolve rules problems themselves, so this mediation failed for some reason. I guessing someone else was confused to?

TO's can and they have made mistakes (Even at Worlds with FFG TO's), mistakes happen in ALL forms of competition so ultimately you just have to suck it up and respect the TO opinion even if it was ruled wrong. My advice to you is next time just do a better job explaining to your opponent what is going on so it wont have to go to the TO.

16 hours ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

It would appear he does indeed read these forums as I just received a warning for the above post where I called him "an effing idiot". I strikes me that only he would report that post given the rest of us are in agreement he is wrong regarding the interpretation of the rule.

You sure make a lot of assumptions about people that are just wrong. This post is reported by me. And a FFG forum is not a reference a TO is allowed to check. People make mistakes.

Just now, Amraam01 said:

You sure make a lot of assumptions about people that are just wrong. This post is reported by me. And a FFG forum is not a reference a TO is allowed to check. People make mistakes.

So you just reported a post that had nothing to do with you because...?

How is the view from up there on your high horse?

1 minute ago, Amraam01 said:

You sure make a lot of assumptions about people that are just wrong. This post is reported by me. And a FFG forum is not a reference a TO is allowed to check. People make mistakes.

"Allowed"? The outside information rules don't apply to the judges.

8 minutes ago, digitalbusker said:

"Allowed"? The outside information rules don't apply to the judges.

Because rules forums are unofficial and the Judge/Marshal should only refer to official FAQ's to cite for making a ruling. However, if as TO takes a peak at a forum to help make a decision... maybe that would help the process, but there is no obligation to do that or can refer to that as the reason how/why a ruling is made.